• SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca
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    All these guys do is cheat and steal to get their planes, then they get killed in them. This is not rare.

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    All I’m going to say is that I was a lead developer for Ubisoft at one point; You may imagine how I feel about this news.

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      So the estimated 8781 people with the Guillemot name and others with the variations “Guilaume, Guillaume, Guilaum, Guillamauax, Guillemot, Guillaumie, Guillaumes, Guillaumaud, Guillaumaut, Guillaumard, Guillaumart, De Guillaume” are all evil slaver beneficiaries?

      I just can’t find anything else on the lineage or where the Ubi Guillamot-brothers’ parents’ wealth came from.

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    Why do so many “important” people die in plane crashes in the past couple of decades?

    • Andy Cecere (2026 - US Bank)

    • Joshua Base (2026 - Capital Factory)

    • Christophe de Margerie (2014 - Total energies)

    • Petr Kelner (2021 - PPF Group)

    • Kobe Bryant (2020)

    • Glen de Vries (2021 - Medidata Solutions)

    • Gary Knopp ( 2020 - politician)

    • Steve Appleton (2012 - Micron CEO)

    • Cheryl heinze ( 2012 - politician)

    • Alison Des Forges ( 2009 - human right investigator)

    • Beverly Eckert (2009 - activist on 9/11 committee)

    • wilhemson executives in 2012

    • Now the CEO of Ubisoft in 2026

    That is just in the US, so many other rich businessmen have also died in plane crashes in other countries. Romania, Italy, Brazil, Russia, etc… Are aircraft crashes just way more common than the companies want us to believe? I was always told that airplanes were statistically safer than cars.

    Also why are plane crashes so often surrounded in suspicious circumstances like the IBM plane crash where a ton of executives were killed and immediately following the other IBM execs pivoted the company focus (which kind of led to their downfall in the consumer market).

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      Also also. You have a 17 year span of time for 13 people that died in a plane crash. That’s less than one person a year on average. I’d say that’s pretty freaking safe compared to other modes of travel like automobiles or through The Warp.

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      wasnt kobe a helicopter accident. and people glossed over the fact that he allegations of SA in the past when he died, the news sure sweeps SA under the rug pretty quick.

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        Commercial planes are constantly coming and going through every major airport. Do these wealthy people really collectively fly more than that?

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            That’s the wrong question to ask. “important people are more likely to be in a plane than unimportant people” is valid as a partial explanation only if we assume that all aircrafts have similar crash probabilities and are flown with a similar number of passengers.

            The frequency with which I personally fly does not impact how often other people fly. All it does is give you one data point on how often other people in my situation might fly, and we don’t know how many others are in my situation, so that information is also useless.

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              Let us assume 2 people fly in planes. One of them does so 10 times a month. The other 10 times a year. The risks are higher for the 10 times a month flyer.

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          We might not learn their names, but we definitely learn about the aircraft and how many people died.

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            If its of a certain size yes, but the planes that actually crash everyday don’t get reported widely because they’re tiny aircraft

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          Now that I had ent considered. There’s importance squared. A second layer.

          I’m tired of humans. I’m now identify as one of those gay frogs Alex Jones is so strangely passionate about.

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      God, I hate these arguments.

      “Look at all these things that happened! There must be something more to this! It’s too much of a coincidence! CONSPIRACY!”

      Did you know shark attacks increase alongside ice cream sales? By that logic, there must be some secret alliance between Big Ice Cream and the shark cabal.

      Or maybe both go up because it’s summer and more people are at the beach.

      The same thing happens with plane crashes involving wealthy people. Rich people fly far more than the average person, and they often fly private aircraft, which have a higher accident rate than commercial airlines.

      Not every cluster of events is evidence of secret black-ops CIA assassinations. Sometimes a correlation is just a correlation, and sometimes a streak of bad luck is just a streak of bad luck.

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      Commercial aviation is much safer than cars because there are strict procedures and oversight that applies to everyone involved - not only pilots, but the entire operational chain. It isn’t exactly the same when it comes to small business jets.

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      It might just be a frequency illusion or something, but it has seemed like airplane crashes in the US have skyrocketed in the past few years (surely it has nothing to do with the Republican party gutting regulation). And looking at where most of the dates in your comment fall, I wonder if it’s just a probability thing.

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      Rich fucks just fly more overall. While flying is very safe. If you do it more, then it is more likely you will be the one in the plane when the rare thing goes wrong. Quirks of privilege.

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        Also very different airplanes

        Commercial airplane crashes always make big news and their crashes in the past always caused improved regulations to the point where there is little left to improve

        Private airplanes, on the other hand, different story

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        Importantly, they tend to fly private aircraft, which I have recently learned are not as safe as commercial airliners. Commercial flights are subject to countless safety checks and have redundancies for days.

        The titan sub failed in part because stockton Rush (I couldn’t think of a more posh name if I tried) assumed the similarly impeccable record of submarines was due to something other than scrupulous safety margins.

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        Yeah, key detail being, if we started listing car crashes from the past month, it would take up the whole thread.

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      I was always told that airplanes were statistically safer than cars.

      Commercial airliners. It’s a very different story for smaller planes. And helicopters are death traps!

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        I was just reading a story about some sky divers who died in a plane crash shortly after launch.

        It said the non commercial airliner stuff isn’t held to the same regulatory standards, and these smaller outfits often fudge or push safety things off and whatever state / agency it was said it couldn’t say these types of services offering flights are safe because of it.

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        I have the perfect story for this.

        About a decade ago I attended a week-long reliability training held by ASQ (the American Society for Quality). One day heading back to my hotel room I shared an elevator with the then-president-chairman of ASQ.

        He was chatting about airliner safety, and how the engineers would do things like test/measure/calculate to find the necessary thickness of a part, and then just triple it for safety because they could. He said he’d never hesitate to ride a commercial airliner.

        He then said he would never ride in a helicopter as long as he lived, lol.

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          Honestly the only helicopters I’d trust are VTOLs that lean more toward the plain side of things, mostly because then they can glide and don’t just rush towards the ground.

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      Can’t argue that. He may not be missed after what he did, but a life is a life.

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    I feel bad for the tutor that was teaching him but you won’t see me shedding a single tear that there’s one less c-suite parasite on Earth.

    Good riddance.

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      I am juat indifferent.
      As I am to any other death I see in the media, newspaper etc. that isnt within my actual family.

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      It’s so easy to not be a parasite. And yet this person chose to do it anyway.

      Not gonna say I’m happy, but I will not shed a tear for the people who are actively making this planet literally unlivable.

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      maybe you should actually look into the kind of human this person was

      the world is a better place without him

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        maybe you should actually look into the kind of human this person was

        the world is a better place without him

        This is the kind of disgusting behavior that perpetuates people treating each other so horribly.

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          You can see how polarized this opinion is. Not speaking ill of the dead is a religious power thing. The idea that all deaths deserve a quiet respect is pushed by a class of elderly people in positions of power.

          You can bet that when Donald Trump dies there will be parties. Some humans have no redeeming qualities and that needs to be acknowledged more. Peter Thiel, Elon Musk need to know NOW how people will regard them after death as the cancers of society they were.

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          Lemmy is good at that. Some of the worst examples of humanity are on this site.

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          rich greedy people are going to treat you the same regardless

          you are simping for a man that wouldn’t pee on you to put you out if you were on fire

          how naive so you have to be to think bring nice to them will change their behavior

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            I am fully aware that trying to be a good human results in bad humans taking advantage of me often. I am not blind to it. But being a good human means that is going to happen for as long as bad humans keep being bad humans.

            I will not stoop to being a bad human just because bad humans treat me badly. I want to be a good human, and that means being a good human even to the bad humans. I don’t agree with what they do or think or believe, nor do I think that me being a good human will force anyone to change. Though some bad humans might change and become good humans, I don’t have to become a bad human just because you don’t see things the same way I do. You can live as you want and I will live as I want. And I want to be a good human, so I will try to live that way as best as I can.

            As a side note, I am appreciative that hopefully nobody will piss on me, regardless of if I am on fire or not. I would much rather put the fire out myself jumping into nearby water, rolling on the floor, removing burning garments, etc. I really would like to avoid being pissed on, thank you. You may be into that, but I am not.

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              I am fully aware that trying to be a good human results in bad humans taking advantage of me often. I am not blind to it. But being a good human means that is going to happen for as long as bad humans keep being bad humans.

              Being good to bad people does nkt make you better. It makes you be easier to be used.

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              being happy that legitimately bad people are dead by their own actions doesn’t make one bad themselves

              claiming some supposed moral high ground by continuously turning the other cheek is a mood for sure

              you want to be taken advantage of fine, you do you but i’m annoyed i have to deal with the consequences of people like you burying your head in the ground, because our society is surely crumbling while people like that rich fuck take advantage of us all and people like you do less than nothing

              i’m just going to ignore the nonsense in the last paragraph because i can’t tell if this is genuine autism or not

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            I never defended him. Just because I am sending his family my condolences doesn’t mean I agree with what he did or believed, it only means that I am trying to be a good human.

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            Awful as in he was responsible for day one DLC and microtransactions or awful as in he raped and murdered children?

            There’s a spectrum and I’m not sure which end of it he’s on based on your comments.

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                Actually yeah, and aside from being co-founder of Ubisoft with his brothers I couldn’t find much. He ran some other audio company. Literally nothing that justifies people talking about shitting on his grave.

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              I don’t play Ubisoft games. I don’t have a horse in that race.

              He’s awful because he was one of the money-addicted ownership class that collectively are ruining our world to fuel their addictions. Everyone in that class is a piece of shit and I don’t find much value in trying to determine the particular vintage of shit we’re dealing with. There are no “good guys” here.

              I won’t wish death or harm on any of them, but I’ll certainly not shed a tear if karma gets them.

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                You need therapy.

                I think you and I would agree that billionaires aren’t people, and I long for the day in which we dismember them and feed them to the pigs, but this guy wasn’t a billionaire. He was a successful video game developer who co-founded an awful company.

                I’m not saying he was a saint, I don’t mourn his passing, but I’m also not celebrating his death as his crimes pale in comparison to the ruling class.

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                  so he’s bad but not evil incarnate so we should not be happy he’s dead?

                  what kinda snivel is this?

                  dude was a net negative in the world, go spend your effort caring on someone actually good

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                  He was a member of the ruling class. What the hell are you talking about? He was a board member and co-founder of a corporation with a valuation in the billions of dollars. Yeah, sure, he wasn’t a billionaire but they aren’t the only problem. He certainly had a lot less in common with poors like you and me, especially since the corporation he was part of wasn’t exactly championing labor rights.

                  And yeah I’m sure I do need therapy. But guess what’s one of many things I can’t afford thanks to rich assholes like this guy?

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                What’s wrong with people making money because other people buy their video games? Are they hurting someone?

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                  It’s a matter of scale, and what they do with the money. Wealth hoarding has reached the point where it’s a cause of inflation. The top 1% (and even moreso, the 1% of that 1%) have hoarded ao much wealth, and do nothing but essentially sit on that wealth, that it makes life more expensive for all of us in the working class.

                  Strictly speaking, yes they absolutely are hurting someone. Wage theft is a significant issue we face today.

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            Or you can just accept it as a net gain for humanity and move on.

            No need to be either happy or sad.

            Let’s keep our dignity and behave nice, but also let’s not pretend this is a tragedy, because it isn’t.

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              it’s 2026 the rich no longer get to expect dignity from the masses

              the ‘high road’ is how we got in this mess to begin with

              they should be thankful it’s not worse given how bad off we are now

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              Taking a steaming dump on their graves is keeping our dignity.

              This man didn’t give a tin shit about me, you, or anyone else while he lived. Why do we owe him decorum and consideration just because he got himself killed?

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            Casually comparing a game company founder to a brutal dictator who started a devestating war and an industrialized genocide is as strech to say the least.

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            And probably a legal liability.

            And that’s a giant steaming lie.

            There is no legal liability to saying “good riddance” to a billionaire’s death

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    Oh, COME ON, people! Are we seriously going to get morally conflicted over someone who did shitty things? I’m sorry he’s not Donald Trump (then again, lets be honest, you would be one of those people shedding tears over him despite what he’s done to collectively fuck over everyone and everything.)

    A shitty person was taken off the face of the earth, that’s a freaking win. If you’re this morally conflicted, then you’re the reason why these kinds of shitty people get away with what they get away with.

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      I’d have agreed with you if he was the direct cause of some people death, like that asshole that got Luigi-ed, but he is not. He sure took decisions that ended up making subpart games, fucked over devs, and all.

      He’s a capitalist shark like there are thousands of others, bit does that warrant death?

      People like you are the cause why fascism is on the rise. No humanity, no regrets, no actions taken, until it affects you personally.

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        if he was the direct cause of some people death, like that asshole that got Luigi-ed, but he is not.

        Just an FYI, this is literally how every single one of them justifies their evil to themselves.

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        Few billionaires are direct causes of anyone dying. However, they’re always indirect causes of lots of people dying, by their own choice.

        Is there a meaningful difference between shooting somebody and poisoning the food and water of 10 random people? Maybe. Maybe not. Ultimately, you’re choosing to take people’s lives, knowing the outcome.

        I don’t think people care about whether you’re a ‘direct’ cause, as much as they care about whether or not you’re a deliberate cause.

        All of us will probably cause some deaths as we go about our lives. But at no point do most of us make a decision to end someone’s life. Whereas billionaires do make the decisions, and they do it completely voluntarily, seeking profit. They often seem happy about the decisions too.

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          And in the current case, did he cause any direct or indirect death? Did he chose to cause someone death?

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              Hard to say. Suicides rarely have a single cause. A layoff can be a trigger, but you rarely kill yourself from that alone if you life a pretty decent life outside of work.

              Usually I go with “you are responsible of your own actions and words, not what other do or says about it”. So unless he personally pushed someone to suicide, or ordered someone to be bullied to the point of suicide, no, I don’t think he’d be responsible.

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        It doesn’t warrant death, no. But people can cheer the death of an awful person without saying “hey we should keep the streak going!”

        And what are you talking about? Our current case of fascism is a direct result of unregulated capitalism, courtesy of neoliberalism.

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          And what are you talking about? Our current case of fascism is a direct result of unregulated capitalism, courtesy of neoliberalism.

          Not gonna argue on that because it is true. Still, fascism wouldn’t strive as it does without those who only logic is “I don’t like them so he deserves to die”. That’s the logic behind german innaction when jews were getting oppressed, and I prefer fight that now than wait for it to be the majority logic.

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            Still, fascism wouldn’t strive as it does without those who only logic is “I don’t like them so he deserves to die”.

            This is a straw man, I don’t see anyone here making this actual argument.

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        what the fuck kinda apologist bullshit is blaming fascism on people angry about capitalism excess and not the actual fascist

        the fucking mental gymnastics

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          Being angry at capitalist excess is a good thing. Saying that someone dying horribly is ok because you disagreed with how it ran is business isn’t.

          Fascist rely on that communitarian instinct to trives. Nazism rise came partly from clever propaganda gymnastic. To the rich, they said the problem was bolcheviks who spread unrest into the masses. To the poors, they said it was the rich jews who fattened on their labor.
          To both they found a scapegoat remote enough to avoid having them interact enough to realize fascism bullshit, and that’s how they won.

          Fascism always tries to dehumanise part of society to make them the scapegoat for real issues, and gain momentum. Refusing those easy narrative is the first and more important step to refuse fascism.

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            i didn’t kill him

            i didn’t wish him dead

            his own excess killed him (the number of rich people dying to flight related stuff is crazy disproportionate)

            don’t white wash the harm this man has done

            expecting people to be respectful about his death is pathetic

            blaming fascism on not the fascist themselves is worse

            and censoring comments is just sad

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              I was talking about OC and why I censored his comment after it got reported multiple times. My bad for not having been more explicit.

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                you’ve ‘moderated’ multiple comments in this thread

                i have no idea why you feel the need to defend rich trash

                this wasn’t a good man

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                  you’ve ‘moderated’ multiple comments in this thread

                  Both broke the community rules, and many more probably does, but we (the mod team, I’m not the only one out there) only removed the worst of them

                  i have no idea why you feel the need to defend rich trash

                  this wasn’t a good man

                  I defend my humanity, which includes having the minimal decency of not dancing on somone else grave. Even the worst asshole on earth deserves decency in death. That’s includes you.

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      there is a subset of humanity that worships wealth and they are about as intelligent as you would expect them to be

      arguing with them is about as useful as doing so with maga

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        You’d be surprised how some of those irredeemable people can, in fact be reasoned with, and even can change their views.

        I remember the story of a black man befriending a bunch of klansmen and making them leave the organization.

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            Which is way more respectable than laughing about it behing internet anonymity.

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              sure, same I feel about a genuine priest dedicated to serving people, i have the utmost respect for them

              but you expecting people to give up their lives to rehabilitate shit birds is pretty lmao

              and unless you yourself are doing so, it’s also hypocritical

              and i assure you i tell these people to their face in real life, many seem so confused

              expecting anyone to dox themselves to full internet to prove a point is crazy naive and even more lmao

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                but you expecting people to give up their lives to rehabilitate shit birds is pretty lmao

                If it works, it is worth it.

                and unless you yourself are doing so, it’s also hypocritical

                I volunteers for other causes (helping elders, sometimes migrants, to learn to use computers, as well as occasionally helping my dad who volunteers at the red cross). Everyone got a way they can help others, but I doubt a klansman would listen to someone like me, despite being a white male.

                expecting anyone to dox themselves to full internet to prove a point is crazy naive and even more lmao

                I never expected that. I just said that laughing at someone contribution to society is at best petty.

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                  i volunteer as well but it takes a special type to put up with people like this, i know because i live in a state around them

                  unless you are literally dealing with this directly i don’t really care to hear some hollier than though bullshit

                  dealing with racist, sexist, bigoted fucks daily is exhausting

                  imagine defending their behavior even indirectly