I’m a socialist in the United States and AOC is gonna vote for Hakeem Fucking Jeffries for Speaker, so who is really on my side at this moment?
But in the context of the US vs China, it seems like people are always explicitly making me pick a side. Almost all the China-bashing is motivated by wanting to keep the US hegemonic, and every time I say, “Hey, why are we saying China shouldn’t rule the world but never challenging why we allow the United States to rule the world?” I get called a tankie.
The system disciplines everyone is the fuller answer.
And AOC is actually a very good case study in how this happens even if you aren’t explicitly bought and sold
Cause in fact she is not deeply rooted in corporate super pacs or propped up heavily by conditioned billionaire money. The popular narrative that seems to dominate.
Instead she was disciplined by the system itself and the people she has to work with inside that system and the systems of influence in and outside of the government.
So replacing her is not going to be the core fix for this problem. The next person will face the same pressures and the same disciplining forces.
If the DSA had 100 members in congress things would be different, but even then certain mechanisms of discipline will never fully go away until a more fundamental change in the relationship of the state and who it serves and how it is controlled changes.
Instead she was disciplined by the system itself and the people she has to work with inside that system and the systems of influence in and outside of the government.
You are right, it’s more the culture of the institution she’s a part of. That however doesn’t excuse it. She has the chance, with the new wave to stand with the right kind of people.
The next person will face the same pressures and the same disciplining forces.
Not if you vote the moderates out. I know it’s more complicated than this, but trump has set a fire in motion that might not burn again very soon.
This time I saw that wyoming, Montana, Nebraska and Idaho had independents running against the republicans for the senate. They were all blue collar working class military veterans. They had close races. I am not familiar with their elections but it seems like the people want a change, but they don’t want to vote for the same old guys who are supported by corporates and outside interests. This is the perfect time for change.
Yes let’s eat ourselves guys, it’s the only solution am I right fellow comrades? Quickly let’s fuck ourselves as hard as we can, it’s ideological purity that people need, not results!
It’s not ideological purity. I don’t have anything against her, but if she votes Jefferies then the blue wave will have little effect imo.
If america had an actual multi-party system this wouldn’t have been a problem in the first place. You get your preferred candidate and I get my preferred one, most likely in a coalition together.
So you think if Jeffreys gets to keep his job, and bearing in mind I agree with you that he is a fucking waterproof teabag, you think that this entire election cycle and all of the new people brought into congress, will have “little effect”?
I mean it would be a blow, but don’t you think that this kind of hyperbolic overreaction is unhelpful? Like, if he does, are you gonna give up? I’m not in a competition to be the most leftist, I want to push our wins and recover from our losses.
Okay, you are right. All is not lost. I am not trying to be defeatist, there will be other chances.
I just think it’s rare to see so many non career politicians win elections. It’s a good moment to shore up and solidify that base before the two party rotating system rings back in.
We have a real problem in that it’s relatively easy for establishment candidates to give off progressive signals and for the mainstream media to never challenge them, so people will happily pose as progressives and then go right back to the establishment.
Look to Susan Collins for a mirrored example of that. It’s very effective.
That said, I think we’re going to have a lot of angry primary voters in 2028 if things keep going how they’re going.
If someone is a Progressive 99% of the time and fucks up 1% of the time, tHeYrE eStAbLiShMeNt NeOlIbS!!!
With this much purity testing, it’s no wonder the left has no ground to stand on in the US - the rug keeps getting pulled by people further left of whatever platform they’re on.
Meanwhile the conservatives and fascists are patting each other on the back for putting aside their differences.
Getting pissed off at voting for a house speaker with a history of opposing progressive causes after a once-in-century change election isn’t purist pique.
Dems have a chance to redefine the party into something people want to vote for. If we can’t do it, we’re giving racist Christofascism another shot at a permanent majority. We have a lot of work to do at every level and we can’t do it with a corpodem at the top of the hiearchy.
Getting pissed off at voting for a house speaker with a history of opposing progressive causes after a once-in-century change election isn’t purist pique.
It is when you try to argue that AOC is No True Progressive.
Dems have a chance to redefine the party into something people want to vote for. If we can’t do it, we’re giving racist Christofascism another shot at a permanent majority. We have a lot of work to do at every level and we can’t do it with a corpodem at the top of the hiearchy.
Cool soapbox, but I never said anything different; you’re acting like I disagree with you here.
aoc is fine, this is just silly posturing. Bear in mind that chuds are stupid enough to think “how do you do fellow leftist” will actually work. We have 200 things that need to happen before aoc even begins to be seen as some kind of issue that requires revisiting. She’s fine, great even, and both tankies and chuds hate it.
Just Greta Thunberg all over again, they for some reason attract hate squads.
Couldn’t agree more with the exception that it’s possible schipelblorp is in fact simply a misguided progressive/leftist/etc. that thinks taking her down will magically make an equally popular and effective but slightly more progressive candidate emerge from her ashes. It won’t.
As you say, she’s great, but not perfect; insinuating she’s been a fake progressive this whole time is counterproductive at best, disinformation at worst.
I’ve heard a number of progressive reps say they’ve had positive conversations with Jeffries regarding the House policy agenda for the upcoming session. I’m interested to hear more. To Jeffries’ credit, he’s only been leader for 2 years in the minority, maybe let’s see how he does with a majority.
Have not heard the same about Schumer. We’re all ready for that guy to not be in charge
Just trust me, bro is not what I want to stake the future of the country on.
If Jeffries is Speaker and doesn’t deliver on progressive demands, the political situation is going to become very unstable. Expect more Democratic primary challenges and wilder swings in the electorate as people desperately look for someone who will finally actually do something, and maybe some solutions will be tried outside the ballot box.
I anticipate the next 2 years are going to be rough. I would not be surprised if the Trump Admin starts arresting legislators.
As far as the Democratic Party, I anticipate the progressive momentum from this election will carry over into 2028. What we’re witnessing is literally a generational shift, as all these 80 year olds finally start dying or losing power and Millennials are rapidly increasing their power in Congress
Enlightened Centrism, then?
No, enlightened centrists have representation.
I’m a socialist in the United States and AOC is gonna vote for Hakeem Fucking Jeffries for Speaker, so who is really on my side at this moment?
But in the context of the US vs China, it seems like people are always explicitly making me pick a side. Almost all the China-bashing is motivated by wanting to keep the US hegemonic, and every time I say, “Hey, why are we saying China shouldn’t rule the world but never challenging why we allow the United States to rule the world?” I get called a tankie.
Ah gotcha, you’re a purity tester; my mistake.
Are simplistic stereotypes the only way you can understand the world?
No, I just try to figure out whence cometh ridiculous behavior so I can point it out and others can ignore it in peace.
I can see why your account is a throwaway.
I can see why yours is incoherent nonsense.
It really does feel like AOC is a career politician with too deep ties with super pacs that fund most of the “moderates” in democratic party.
Please vote her out as well.
The system disciplines everyone is the fuller answer.
And AOC is actually a very good case study in how this happens even if you aren’t explicitly bought and sold
Cause in fact she is not deeply rooted in corporate super pacs or propped up heavily by conditioned billionaire money. The popular narrative that seems to dominate.
Instead she was disciplined by the system itself and the people she has to work with inside that system and the systems of influence in and outside of the government.
So replacing her is not going to be the core fix for this problem. The next person will face the same pressures and the same disciplining forces.
If the DSA had 100 members in congress things would be different, but even then certain mechanisms of discipline will never fully go away until a more fundamental change in the relationship of the state and who it serves and how it is controlled changes.
You are right, it’s more the culture of the institution she’s a part of. That however doesn’t excuse it. She has the chance, with the new wave to stand with the right kind of people.
Not if you vote the moderates out. I know it’s more complicated than this, but trump has set a fire in motion that might not burn again very soon.
This time I saw that wyoming, Montana, Nebraska and Idaho had independents running against the republicans for the senate. They were all blue collar working class military veterans. They had close races. I am not familiar with their elections but it seems like the people want a change, but they don’t want to vote for the same old guys who are supported by corporates and outside interests. This is the perfect time for change.
Yes let’s eat ourselves guys, it’s the only solution am I right fellow comrades? Quickly let’s fuck ourselves as hard as we can, it’s ideological purity that people need, not results!
It’s not ideological purity. I don’t have anything against her, but if she votes Jefferies then the blue wave will have little effect imo.
If america had an actual multi-party system this wouldn’t have been a problem in the first place. You get your preferred candidate and I get my preferred one, most likely in a coalition together.
So you think if Jeffreys gets to keep his job, and bearing in mind I agree with you that he is a fucking waterproof teabag, you think that this entire election cycle and all of the new people brought into congress, will have “little effect”?
I mean it would be a blow, but don’t you think that this kind of hyperbolic overreaction is unhelpful? Like, if he does, are you gonna give up? I’m not in a competition to be the most leftist, I want to push our wins and recover from our losses.
They way you talk is defeatist.
Okay, you are right. All is not lost. I am not trying to be defeatist, there will be other chances.
I just think it’s rare to see so many non career politicians win elections. It’s a good moment to shore up and solidify that base before the two party rotating system rings back in.
I am deeply in love with Troy Jackson lol <3
And we will be there for Angie Nixon in 2028.
Keep fighting the good fight, lemons are full of energy and citrus!
We have a real problem in that it’s relatively easy for establishment candidates to give off progressive signals and for the mainstream media to never challenge them, so people will happily pose as progressives and then go right back to the establishment.
Look to Susan Collins for a mirrored example of that. It’s very effective.
That said, I think we’re going to have a lot of angry primary voters in 2028 if things keep going how they’re going.
No True Progressive
If someone is a Progressive 99% of the time and fucks up 1% of the time, tHeYrE eStAbLiShMeNt NeOlIbS!!!
With this much purity testing, it’s no wonder the left has no ground to stand on in the US - the rug keeps getting pulled by people further left of whatever platform they’re on.
Meanwhile the conservatives and fascists are patting each other on the back for putting aside their differences.
I know it can sometimes be hard to see someone’s exact colors, but Schumer has voted in favor of ICE funding and Israel Defense spending consistently.
Getting pissed off at voting for a house speaker with a history of opposing progressive causes after a once-in-century change election isn’t purist pique.
Dems have a chance to redefine the party into something people want to vote for. If we can’t do it, we’re giving racist Christofascism another shot at a permanent majority. We have a lot of work to do at every level and we can’t do it with a corpodem at the top of the hiearchy.
It is when you try to argue that AOC is No True Progressive.
Cool soapbox, but I never said anything different; you’re acting like I disagree with you here.
aoc is fine, this is just silly posturing. Bear in mind that chuds are stupid enough to think “how do you do fellow leftist” will actually work. We have 200 things that need to happen before aoc even begins to be seen as some kind of issue that requires revisiting. She’s fine, great even, and both tankies and chuds hate it.
Just Greta Thunberg all over again, they for some reason attract hate squads.
Couldn’t agree more with the exception that it’s possible schipelblorp is in fact simply a misguided progressive/leftist/etc. that thinks taking her down will magically make an equally popular and effective but slightly more progressive candidate emerge from her ashes. It won’t.
As you say, she’s great, but not perfect; insinuating she’s been a fake progressive this whole time is counterproductive at best, disinformation at worst.
Here’s to hoping.
I’ve heard a number of progressive reps say they’ve had positive conversations with Jeffries regarding the House policy agenda for the upcoming session. I’m interested to hear more. To Jeffries’ credit, he’s only been leader for 2 years in the minority, maybe let’s see how he does with a majority.
Have not heard the same about Schumer. We’re all ready for that guy to not be in charge
Isn’t Jefferies funded by the same super pacs that fund the other moderates? Things aren’t gonna change if he gets elected.
Trump was a good wakeup call to ditch these guys.
Just trust me, bro is not what I want to stake the future of the country on.
If Jeffries is Speaker and doesn’t deliver on progressive demands, the political situation is going to become very unstable. Expect more Democratic primary challenges and wilder swings in the electorate as people desperately look for someone who will finally actually do something, and maybe some solutions will be tried outside the ballot box.
We’re sitting on a powder keg.
I anticipate the next 2 years are going to be rough. I would not be surprised if the Trump Admin starts arresting legislators.
As far as the Democratic Party, I anticipate the progressive momentum from this election will carry over into 2028. What we’re witnessing is literally a generational shift, as all these 80 year olds finally start dying or losing power and Millennials are rapidly increasing their power in Congress