I was once talking with one of my classmates and he said that in the future, there will be universal basic income implemented by entire world. I was not convinced at that time and thought he is just being stupid but given the layoffs happening and massive amount of unemployment, I am thinking about this possibility. What do you say?
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Yes, but only because your question implies there is a future for humanity, and I believe UBI is realistically one of the few ways humanity even gets a future
Nope it’s not.
Look, most of the taxes are paid by the people, do you think the billionaires are gonna spare a dime? Where UBI is needed, there’s most likely an entire population of working class that’s not generating any tax revenue, and is a net negative for the government. And tax money isn’t just meant to be distributed to the people, it’s for also maintaining infrastructure and building new ones. You realise how much of burden would UBI be on the government? Do you think they can still maintain roads and fund libraries/universities if most of their treasury is being spent on paying people an income?
I don’t think UBI is practical at all. Ground reality is, even governments have finite resources. We genuinely need better plans than just relying on UBI as solution.
UBI is 100% populist idea. It replaces targeted welfare directed at people who need it with universal one - which is a massive waste of money, and extremly unfair to the working class as it has to be financed with massive taxation.
Funny how Marxists love talking about working class being exploited just to nonchalantly drop UBI around.
IMO Universal Basic Income the second worst idea after so called “Modern Monetary Theory”
Extremely unfair to who? We’re the last generations to be employed and have jobs
What Marxists are talking about UBI as proposed by yang and others?
If by UBI you mean everyone has access to housing, food, water, electricity, internet, education, and healthcare, you’re talking about two different things.
UBI proposed assumes corporations replace workers with automations and aims to provide a crutch for those capitalism eats alive, except it doesn’t guarantee any of the things I listed that people need. It just gives them money to spend on corporations.
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Yes.
It should but it won’t.
Not without some “encouragement”
Probably, unless we backslide into Dune-esque feudalism, destroy ourselves, or both.
What we have right now is “democracy and equality before the law, but also your wealth at birth determines your access to everything”, and that seems more like a transition state, and less like a stable and self-perpetuating way of organising things. Plus, gen Z is eventually going to generate world leaders of it’s own, and within that group, the basic idea of abolishing class is already really popular.
A different kind of program could do the same job of keeping people from falling off the bottom of the wealth spectrum. But, UBI is simple and thorough and beloved by policy wonks everywhere. It’s not going to be whatever ill-defined USSR imitation thing Lemmy would prefer, anyway. (For a number of reasons, starting with it’s just so ill-defined)
but given the layoffs happening and massive amount of unemployment
Since we’re talking about the world, it’s worth pointing out that’s mainly the US. Canada has been doing fine (obviously things are going to be rockier ahead). The rest of the world is going to be a mixed bag, but at the very least Ukraine isn’t going to have a shortage of empty positions.
The rich have done everything they can to increase wealth inequality and brainwash the public into acceptance. That will not be reversed. If they allow UBI it will be below poverty levels and highly conditional.
The wealthy want slaves. Its a mental illness with them. Black people. Underage sex trafficking. Working poor. Robots. Last thing they want is a utopia where everyone is healthy, happy and financially independent.
One of the wealthiest countries in the world doesn’t even have proper healthcare system in 2026. No way are those dumb fucks getting a UBI. Its a lie.
No because corps and oligarchs will campaign against it, inexplicably win, and destroy one of the country’s greatest achievements with cheers and applause
Its cynical, but its happened to many social programs thay way.
UBI will only come as a response to a new economic depression. The idea that our society will proactively fix itself has been proven wrong time after time.
Humans only learn the hard way.
It should be. Also the NIT (Negative Income Tax) so the taxing scheme becomes progressive, rather than regressive. Though I know I’m asking too much because capitalism…
People would rather not have UBI. Give outs, without some effort, will just lead people to rot. People need the fulfillment that a good days work provides so maybe it’ll be tagged to something, but if it is private – such as your a peon, then we’re just serfs of a fiefdom.
The “New Deal” that FDR enacted included work, public works projects, that got people to work; this granted them skills, which helped them enter into work for businesses. If you’ve ever been to a CCC project, like at some State/National Parks, then that’s a demonstration of its effects. They did good work, though they did trample on indigenous nations. Of course, then we went to war in WW2, which brought home GIs ready to setup a life.
Lol, corpo shill
Give outs, without some effort, will just lead people to rot.
I rather think that the people who want to rot are going to rot in any system. The difference is that leeching off the current system is a full time occupation. We might as well just pay them to stay home, giving them a chance to actually do something other than battling bureaucracy in a welfare system or pretending to work in a bullshit job.
People need the fulfillment that a good days work provides
You can always work. UBI does not prevent anyone from working. They can work for themselves or for others or for money.
No, not without sacrificing a welfare program or something else.
Because it’ll be a hard sell to have UBI on top of WIC, SNAP, SSI, Unemployment and other welfare. Something would have to go.
No. Once the people have the time and leisure to think and mingle they might find out who the real source of the problem is. So it’s better to keep your slaves busy and struggling to keep the roof over their head and their belly not empty.
that’s not really how people are, though. if people are happy, they generally see little reason to change something about their situation. everything else is delusional
One must imagine Sisyphus happy
no lol.
have you ever met a rich person? like a real rich person? they’re arrogant and snobby and think the rest of us have no right to exist. there’s a reason there’s this massive push to implement AI. part of it is to save money but the other part of it is that they legit think that we’re all lesser and AI replacing call centers and fast food jobs will hasten our departure.
we’ll all end up being thrown in a volcano before they implement UBI.
i’d say asia has more of a chance in the long run just because social responsibility is part of culture and that can often act as an antidote to the worst parts of capitalism. south korea can be gross but at least they throw their corrupt leaders in jail…
no chance of this happening in the states.
have you ever met a rich person? like a real rich person?
Yes. The one I got to know best is fine, you wouldn’t even know.
OP said rich, not the guy who’s only got like $2 million that you know
have you met a rich person?
Yes. They are fucking insufferable assholes who think they are God’s gifts to the earth. I’ve meet oodles and I can count a handful that weren’t absolute shit or total idiots. Eat the rich.
To be honest I’m not fan of UBI. I’m more fond of redistribution of work.
If there’s less things to do due to automatization let’s just all work less hours with full income.
i’m just gonna say it: your assumption that everybody should work is harmful. there’s lots of people who can’t work for medical reasons, but can’t get a doctor’s note either. for example, psychological syndromes are notoriously hard to diagnose.
you’d just create another point of social friction with your attitude.
I think ubi would do that
People have a baseline income and can work less or maybe even not at all if noy necessary. Those that really want more can work and earn more then
I think it will be very important for that to work that we first put wealth caps. Nobody should be able to have a net worth that is an X amount. Anything above that should be taxed 100%. Say, 10 million for example, nice upper limit.
If all the nasocs are covered, free healthcare, free education, UBI, wealth caps, I think we’d live in a near utopia
The billionaires would have to fund it, and I don’t believe for a second they wouldn’t leave us all to starve.
they will just fund politicians to vote against it, gop is totally on board, theyonly need to fund people like schumer and hakeem.
they are the disgrace on humanity.
