I’ll agree this should be an unpopular opinion. When they deny the rights of others, they forfeit their own.
Society is generally based on social contracts regarding human decency, respect and what apparently are more extreme ideas like compassion and empathy. It’s an agreement to be a part of a community, not to exploit it for selfish gain. If they want to do that, at the very least they should be exiled and allowed only care about themselves by themselves.
We need to stop tolerating intolerance. If you’re harmful to our species letalone our planet that we share with so many others, part present and future, ostracize or eradicate. This high road shit has gotten use nowhere in the entirety of our planets history but right here where monsters are allowed and encouraged to reign.
I’ll also agree to step up to the chopping block if it means I take some of these assholes to hell hand in hand with me.
Granting someone human rights IS NOT tolerance.
And it’s not high road shit.
When Nazis attack your state with an army, shoot them in defense.
When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used.
Inestigate their support network and shut that down. Ban Nazi parties, clubs and groups.
Also, fund organisations that help people trying to get out of the Nazi community.
The problem we have isn’t that those measures aren’t enough.
It’s that we don’t even do those things, because our politicians are actually in league with them or afraid of them.
When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used.
Inestigate their support network and shut that down. Ban Nazi parties, clubs and groups.
Does that mean that from your perspective, the US shouldn’t have attacked and defeated the Nazis in WW2 and should have allowed them to stay in power and do their thing instead?
This kinda seems like preferring to sacrifice the human rights of the innocent, to protect the human rights of their murderers.
Welcome to the uncomfortable morality of international relations, where you may be able to stop some evil people, but the costs may involve extreme human suffering and you may not be able to stop them.
Attacking nazi Germany is one end of the spectrum, in retrospect it was an easy choice. The Iraq war is on the other end, it went quite poorly and the internal motivations were tainted. The US war in Afghanistan is up there with it. And there’s a lot of gray areas, like theoretically attacking Myanmar today or the bombing campaign that contributed to the fall of Ghaddafi.
At the time people were absolutely trying to frame it partially in moral terms. It’s the other end of the spectrum, an intervention with some intended moral aim (to stop the attacks on the Iraqi Kurds) that’s now nearly universally understood to not have been moral.
It IS bullshit. No one ever is born with the notion of human rights and all the crap, but some creatures are born human nonetheless. Which is why
And it’s not high road shit
It actually is. I can agree not to kill someone unless they have killed or caused comparable harm, but not after. Once someone has breached social contract of decent treatment of others - they are not protected by it in my eyes anymore. Yes, it makes me capable of terrible things. No, I am not giving up that capability just for an idea that “I am good and civilized, unlike others”
No one ever is born with the notion of human rights and all the crap
Maybe not in your country, but here in Germany people are in fact born with human rights, including notably the right to live.
Which, funnily, both the human rights declaration and the German constitution where written right after the nazi reign, by people who knew better than you and me what fashism can do.
You did not get what I said, but I am willing to help you this time:
know of people who happen to be raised outside of society, e.g. in jungles? Can’t talk to them about rights and stuff, but human they are. Also, you and me on our day 1 on this planet: did any of us open our eyes and think “hey, I have rights” ?
Are you seriously suggesting that merely pointing to someone and going this guy’s a Nazi would immediately result in a beating? Come on that’s an intellectually dishonest arguement and you know it, that is absolutely not happening no one is doing that.
What’s happening is the Nazis are ousting themselves. They provide their own evidence. They film themselves doing this stuff, rioting, setting fire to buildings, weaving misspelt banners around. They are pointing the finger at themselves.
No one attacks people without evidence. Look at Trump, every time Mr tiny hands doesn’t like somebody he accuses them of being a fascist, without knowing what the word means. But it’s utterly irrelevant because no one believes him.
How so? It’s not like we’re being manipulated into thinking people that aren’t nazis are. We’re watching them openly do nazi shit, we’re watching seig heils at the inauguration, we’re seeing literally nazi playbook shit, again all out in the open. Nobody is telling us this is nazi shit, we’re just seeing it for what it is. How can that be used nefariously? There’s no fox news equivalent manipulating the masses of the left, we’re just informed enough to see a spade for a fuckin spade. So tell me exactly how that can make me susceptible to do inhumane things based on false information. Be specific.
This argument just destroyed all of the plans of civilized man. WE ARE RUINED! at any moment we could be deceived! Let’s all lie down in the dirt and cry until we die.
I’ll agree this should be an unpopular opinion. When they deny the rights of others, they forfeit their own.
Society is generally based on social contracts regarding human decency, respect and what apparently are more extreme ideas like compassion and empathy. It’s an agreement to be a part of a community, not to exploit it for selfish gain. If they want to do that, at the very least they should be exiled and allowed only care about themselves by themselves.
We need to stop tolerating intolerance. If you’re harmful to our species letalone our planet that we share with so many others, part present and future, ostracize or eradicate. This high road shit has gotten use nowhere in the entirety of our planets history but right here where monsters are allowed and encouraged to reign.
I’ll also agree to step up to the chopping block if it means I take some of these assholes to hell hand in hand with me.
Granting someone human rights IS NOT tolerance.
And it’s not high road shit.
When Nazis attack your state with an army, shoot them in defense.
When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used.
Inestigate their support network and shut that down. Ban Nazi parties, clubs and groups.
Also, fund organisations that help people trying to get out of the Nazi community.
The problem we have isn’t that those measures aren’t enough.
It’s that we don’t even do those things, because our politicians are actually in league with them or afraid of them.
This. Does. Not. Work.
Does that mean that from your perspective, the US shouldn’t have attacked and defeated the Nazis in WW2 and should have allowed them to stay in power and do their thing instead?
This kinda seems like preferring to sacrifice the human rights of the innocent, to protect the human rights of their murderers.
Welcome to the uncomfortable morality of international relations, where you may be able to stop some evil people, but the costs may involve extreme human suffering and you may not be able to stop them.
Attacking nazi Germany is one end of the spectrum, in retrospect it was an easy choice. The Iraq war is on the other end, it went quite poorly and the internal motivations were tainted. The US war in Afghanistan is up there with it. And there’s a lot of gray areas, like theoretically attacking Myanmar today or the bombing campaign that contributed to the fall of Ghaddafi.
I don’t think anybody is actually suggesting that the Iraq war for example was moral so I’m not quite sure what your point is.
At the time people were absolutely trying to frame it partially in moral terms. It’s the other end of the spectrum, an intervention with some intended moral aim (to stop the attacks on the Iraqi Kurds) that’s now nearly universally understood to not have been moral.
It IS bullshit. No one ever is born with the notion of human rights and all the crap, but some creatures are born human nonetheless. Which is why
It actually is. I can agree not to kill someone unless they have killed or caused comparable harm, but not after. Once someone has breached social contract of decent treatment of others - they are not protected by it in my eyes anymore. Yes, it makes me capable of terrible things. No, I am not giving up that capability just for an idea that “I am good and civilized, unlike others”
Nobody is born racist, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, and fascist either.
Yes, and?
Maybe not in your country, but here in Germany people are in fact born with human rights, including notably the right to live.
Which, funnily, both the human rights declaration and the German constitution where written right after the nazi reign, by people who knew better than you and me what fashism can do.
“Not men, fascists.”
You did not get what I said, but I am willing to help you this time:
know of people who happen to be raised outside of society, e.g. in jungles? Can’t talk to them about rights and stuff, but human they are. Also, you and me on our day 1 on this planet: did any of us open our eyes and think “hey, I have rights” ?
It also makes you susceptible to do inhumane things to people based on false information.
Are you seriously suggesting that merely pointing to someone and going this guy’s a Nazi would immediately result in a beating? Come on that’s an intellectually dishonest arguement and you know it, that is absolutely not happening no one is doing that.
What’s happening is the Nazis are ousting themselves. They provide their own evidence. They film themselves doing this stuff, rioting, setting fire to buildings, weaving misspelt banners around. They are pointing the finger at themselves.
No one attacks people without evidence. Look at Trump, every time Mr tiny hands doesn’t like somebody he accuses them of being a fascist, without knowing what the word means. But it’s utterly irrelevant because no one believes him.
How so? It’s not like we’re being manipulated into thinking people that aren’t nazis are. We’re watching them openly do nazi shit, we’re watching seig heils at the inauguration, we’re seeing literally nazi playbook shit, again all out in the open. Nobody is telling us this is nazi shit, we’re just seeing it for what it is. How can that be used nefariously? There’s no fox news equivalent manipulating the masses of the left, we’re just informed enough to see a spade for a fuckin spade. So tell me exactly how that can make me susceptible to do inhumane things based on false information. Be specific.
This argument just destroyed all of the plans of civilized man. WE ARE RUINED! at any moment we could be deceived! Let’s all lie down in the dirt and cry until we die.
Yes, and unless I am inhumane myself that will go on to
hunthaunt me long after the fact. This knife cuts both waysYou talked us into enough shit.
Silence.
Username checks out.
Granted your wish and silenced you.