Getting the etsy witches to put a hit out on Sam Altman
sam altman is just a useful puppet from the self-proclaimed anti-christ. has since largely fled to argentina, and you notice immediate reduction in influence in vance and altman.
“There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part; you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop. And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!” — Mario Savio, 1964
I’m not sure why everyone is so upset about the price.
It’s a gaming computer with steam on it.
It’s significantly less than a gaming rig with similar specs that you can custom build.
It’s a really good product for the price.
Is it? Capped at 1080p, low power consumption to control heat, but at a performance cost. Overall pretty meh.
I’m not sure why everyone is so upset about the price.
Because this is a 6~700 dollar machine that is now this price because of Sam Altman and his competing AI cronies having gone full scorched earth on the hardware market for no good reason. A new branch of people is now confronted with this reality actually affecting them.
It’s significantly less than a gaming rig with similar specs that you can custom build.
Youtube’s full of people that build comprable or better performing machines in this broad price bracket. There’s obviously more to this steam machine than just performance, but it’s not particularly cheap in any respect.
A PS5 pro blows this out of the water for a lower price. This thing has less performance than a base PS5.
Valve targeted a price/performance point that did not exist anymore. They advertised 4k/60FPS, you’re just not getting that with this box. They ended up targeting 1080p. As component prices got more expensive they ended up compromising on performance to keep the cost somewhat manageable, but ended up in a very unfavorable part of the price/performance curve. That’s why it’s so underwhelming to people.
You can build an equivalent or more powerful pc for slightly less than this. But if you’re willing to shell out a couple hundred more, you get a multiple of the performance this thing offers. It’s outcompeted on both price and performance.
I was quite hyped to get one of these but I’m not shelling out that money for what you get right now. I’d rather spend a little bit more to get something that will actually last and stay relevant for a few more years.
A PS5 pro blows this out of the water for a lower price
Why everyone us this stupid argument? The PS5 pro cost less because sony will get back the money with the games they sell on the playstation store and the monthly subscription you are forced to pay if you wanna play online
The playstation plus essential is €70 for a year, let’s say you will pay for 5 years, it will be €4350 sum it to the €898 of the console and you get €1248 spent
The steam machine with 2TB is €1359 (or 1428 if you really want the controller) and you can use it forever, run old ass games with emulators, mod games, play pirated games, use it how you want, even for productivity and without any subscription
Do you see why Valve can’t sell hardware for less like Sony does?
This is NOT a console! It’s a PC that offer a plug-n-play expirience for who don’t want to build a PC and then config it!
You just sit on the couch, turn on the gabecube with the controller and it give the same plug and play expirience of a console but with the freedom of a computer, you won’t spend 5/10 minutes to find the TV remote, turn on the TV, walk to the computer to turn it on, select the HDMI source on the TV, take a keyboard and a mouse to open steam, and THEN play.
You aren’t the target audience if you don’t care about all this
If they wanted to gain market they should have included a AM4 option that matches PS5 price and performance.
Baby Sam Altman in my eyes joined the list of Baby Hitler, Baby Stalin, Baby Elon Musk, and Baby whoever the fuck came up with the idea that we must turn western democracies into christian fascist states.
I appreciate that nobody used the weapon of our enemy to make this.
Get me a piece of paper and a pencil. We can play hangman or X’s and O’s, and not have to shell out hugely gross amounts of our hard earned cash. Everyone should start carrying a paperback novel and a deck of cards in their back pocket again. How about now tech bros? Can you cheat us now? Soon you will not be able to afford all of that hair product you use.
I guess I would buy this if I was a huge gamer, but I game on my pc and it’s fine.
Why? You can buy an Acer Predator Helios Neo 16 for like $1,300 with a 2 year warranty. A QHD oled 240hz screen, 32gig ram, 1tb ssd with room for a second, 275HX, 5070ti. And it’s a laptop so you can just unplug it and do whatever wherever in one unit.
I know they’re going for the super compact convenient thing but that’s a hell of a premium for what they’re selling.
“Hell of a premium”? The steam machine cost roughly like the build i made to match their power
People are really underestimating the cost for components these days.
And from what I read, even Valve couldn’t get a good deal on RAM and stuff, everything’s going to the big AI companies
A 5070ti mobile is not a 5070ti. the makor thing is 4GB more VRAM, performance wise hiw much stronger is it at 60W GPU TDP? Maybe 25%?
That laptop is also 25% more expensive with an inferior and louder cooling system. The screen is redundant for the living room, 16GB RAM on Linux are still ok for gaming, this isn’t Windows. SSD capacity is inconcenience but not a oerformance issue.
So yeah, I would say, the laptop is certainly comoetitive performance wise but it is not a rrpkacement for a compact silent living room PC.
That’s not the lmao part
In performance, it’s just a mid-tier 6600XT-6700 equivalent.
Even a 6600XT is so overkill I have a RX 580 with a DDR3-era processor, and most games run at over 60 FPS, hell Elite Dangerous run fine at 80-85 FPS
I really struggle to understand why that much compute is needed for gaming It just comes as wasteful for me
Even a 6600XT is so overkill
I game on a 1440p ultrawide monitor at my desk, and a 4k TV (though I don’t actually game at 4k). I upgraded from a 6700XT to a RX 9070 after Expedition 33 ran like shit and couldn’t run constant 60 fps on high settings even when dropped to 1080p with FSR. A 6600XT is hardly overkill.
Also, it’s hardly wasteful when my 9070 performs better, yet runs cooler and actually has a lower tdp / wattage than the 6700 XT did.
I blame the competitive gamers that barely understand what theyre doing. I seen guys complaining about their frame rates dropping below 120 on a 2k display.
Maybe, something higher than 120 provides an advantage to players with extreme reactive skills in the most intense close quarter first-person combat, but there otherwise wouldnt be a reason to sustain anything above 120. I dont think there are any monitors that refresh above 120.
Imagine bottlenecking 200+ frames a second, at 2k resolution, through a 60 hertz monitor. What a waste of gpu.
I dont think there are any monitors that refresh above 120.
I’m sorry what are you talking about? I have a 240Hz monitor and you can easily buy one with over 500Hz. And 240 feels so much smoother than 120, even in story heavy games.
Yeah, wtf. I have a cheap (or was cheap at the time) LG 1440p ultrawide, nothing fancy, and it can do up to 165 Hz.
I see. I hope you’ve optimized your gpu, otherwise you could be burning out that thing for no good reason. The science behind how much visual information the brain can process is ongoing. I guess the consensus is that humans can process as much as 200 frames a second with some suggesting that a person could reach 1000 frames a second. That last one sounds ridiculous to me.
It’s funny you blame competitive gamers who don’t understand what they’re doing, yet don’t seem to know how any of this works.
Higher refresh rates reduce frame timing, reducing both visual and input latency. It’s why a game at 30 fps often “feels” laggy compared to one at 60 or 120 fps. Even if you can’t see the increased frame rate you can certainly feel input latency. It’s also why “fake frames” from things like optiscaler or FSR/DLSS don’t help when already at low frame rates, they actually increase latency, which is already bad when your frame times are higher.
I’m not into competitive gaming at all, btw, just sensitive to (and annoyed by) input lag.
Try something AAA made in this decade, on a monitor made in this decade. Valve also isn’t marketing this as a retro console.
They said 60fps at 4k.
They lied.
they lied
What annoys me is not that you are wrong, but that LTT made same big claim, while acknowledging that Valve said “with FSR” in same sentence about 4k at 60. No one ever said “native 4k 60”. And yes, maybe you need to drop target resolution to as low as 1080p or 900p to achive that target, but it still achivable, hence not a lie.
On top of that, AMD released INT8 (I assume) FSR4.1 at same day, that supports this hardware, so quality wise it will be manageable. PS5 often used upscaling not based on ml and still looks okay.
And another thing — if new downgraded by AMD FSR4 won’t suffice, you can use full version of FSR4. On Linux it’s a thing, you can just drop FS4 dll to the game, add launch params to steam and use Proton-GE or Proton-Cachyos, those have patch for FSR3 override. I tested it on 7900xtx and ryzen z1extreme (apu), in both cases it performs better than FSR3 quality wise, while still providing perf uplift compared to native resolution.
Okay, Triple-A. What is one advantage or genuine improvement that Triple A has done on gaming in general that isn’t just “yet another change to make things more realistic”? Asset streaming, huge worlds, hell the Nintendo 64 can do it.
We have so much computing power available on your mom’s Dell Pavilion she uses at work that is just not even used to its full potential, just for the sake of “number go big” because Nvidia or AMD or Intel needs to sell more chips.
My computer has a Xeon E3-1220 V3 with 16 GB of RAM I do Gamedev, work development (with Rust AND C++ cross-compiling to both Windows and Linux), embedded development (ESP32), 3D modelling on Blender and more. Its Firefox with multiple tabs + YouTube running for music, VS Code, and whatever toolchains/compilers I need, on a dual monitor setup (fair its only dual 1366x768 but still two framebuffers) And I really need to push the computer through hell to make it stutter.
Why the fuck does gaming needs that much compute? What the hell are the devs doing that a fucking 6600 XT, which is a absolute behemoth with 2048 Cores and 8 fucking Gigs of memory struggles with?
Hell, I’ve made a fucking Dreamcast, which is a console from 2001 have 1:1 Parity with a fucking Linux game I made using Raylib with a full blown 3D 6DOF(6 Directions of Freedom) Flight racing game, loading and generating 3D geometry and calculating physics on the fly in runtime And that fucking thing predates the whole concept of graphics pipelines and shaders, it only has a PVR.
You don’t have to sell me, I agree with you. I use a 3600 and a 6600XT and I play indies mostly.
…but that’s not what the mainstream wants. They still want their giant blockbuster AAA pretty games and they’ll pay for it. They’ll have to lmao.
AAA titles work just fine at 1080p, possibly even on 1440p at optimised settings (and games come with optimised settings on Stream). The 4k claim was a lie.
*FSR enabled
I love how it’s more expensive in Europe
How much more once you add tax? EU prices have tax factored in already.
So it costs $1050 which converts to 922€, so about 100€ more expensive.
The point is that in Europe sticker price always includes tax, you pay the exact amount there, while reputedly in the US it does not work that way.
Yeah and also considering they gotta ship it from the US to the Netherlands warehouse which prolly isn’t free either
Is it made in the US though? It seems kinda silly to ship the parts from predominantly China to the US back to Europe.
Especially since IIRC the US PC market is smaller that that of Europe.
And also, tariffs.
Honestly no clue. But I just checked my steam controller and it says „assembled in China“ so I guess not, but it still has to be shipped
It has to be shipped to the US as well. Shipping isn’t a meaningful extra cost. But you have to compare netto prices with US prices. The Euro price is lower than the USD price.
I wanna know what’s happening with all those finished wafers they bought.
If they aren’t being made into memory modules I think someone should go to jail.
Inshallha
I mean, if a fatwa halves the price, I’m happy to issue two!
79 dollars for a controller?
Is that expensive? I can’t even tell anymore.
Xbox Elite series 2 controllers are $200, Switch 2 joycons are $100 for a pair, a base PS5 controller is $60-75, 3rd party wired controllers are like $20-30.
$80 for a controller is about average.
Just for some comparison, wireless Xbox 360 controllers sold in 2006 for US $50, PS3 controllers slightly more, and Wiimotes as low as US $40 (without nunchuck/motionplus).
PS4 controllers were $60, Xbox One controllers were slightly less, and Switch pro controllers were $50 (more comparable than comparing to Joycons).
Now Dualsense controllers for PS5 are $75, Xbox Series controllers are $65, and Switch 2 pro controllers are $90(!!).
US $1 in 2006 is the equivalent of $1.60 today when adjusted for inflation, so that $50 Xbox 360 controller at launch would come to $80 now. Not that those figures necessarily translate into buying power, but it does seem that (Nintendo aside), the price is keeping pace or just shy of inflation.
Nintendo’s sharp jump from the cheapest to most expensive option is likely factoring in inflation with anticipated tariff adjustments during the console’s launch…which they’ll never walk back even with the scary numbers gone.
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Considering the competition starts at $60 and doesn’t have touchpads, back buttons or a dedicated wireless receiver, I’d say it’s pretty reasonable.
Depends on what you compare it to I’d say. From reviews the quality is really high, and if you would use them a lot the trackpads might already be worth it compared to conventional controllers. But if you just want a standard controller, a PS5 controller has pretty much all other features and also has a very good build quality. (xbox controllers don’t have gyro which is stupid in this day and age) and also brands like 8bitdo have caught up a ton in terms of build quality and features and offer great cheaper options. So imo it really comes down to the trackpads and perfect steam integration.
yea very, its about 1049 512Gb, and 300 more for the 2tb one.
Regardless, I still have ps2 controllers from 18-25 years ago that i can use for every non-keyboard game on my steam. Humblebrag.
How much do you think a controller with similar capabilities should cost?
Yeah good point, i’ve just double checked their capabilities (steam store link)
Xbox controllers are around the same price.
Microslop though
No, 69 euros for a controller.
Ah in OP’s original post they linked a dollar version of the image so i was looking at that when inkade the comment
The ceo of valve has more money than sam altman, valve is a for profit company, what makes you think they want to sell you something for cheap?
the argument isn’t that steam would sell at a loss if it wasn’t for ai, it’s that price is close to market parity, when we know the original price was projected to be $750
… So people will buy it? For profit companies tend to like it when people buy stuff from them.
Their goal is to maximize profits, if they get more money by selling costly units they will stick to these
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