• ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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    2 days ago

    When we say this we don’t mean that USA drifted to the right and Republicans won some elections. We’re talking about voting for a racist pedophile with dementia. Twice.

    Which European leader shat himself in front of cameras recently?

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      22 hours ago

      When we were degrading our democracy 10-20 years ago, like Europe is today, our leaders weren’t shitting on camera either.

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        21 hours ago

        I don’t get your timeline. 10 years ago Trump won first elections so you already had leaders that were total clowns. Before him Obama was president so I’m not sure what degradation of democracy you’re talking about. If you’re referring to the general failures of your two party system and corruption of all institutions it started way before that but you don’t really see anything like that in EU yet. Voting for Trump and voting for far-right parties in EU isn’t the same thing.

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          20 hours ago

          Yea, you’re right I should’ve said 10-30 years ago. But even that, its all a slippery slope. Democracy takes a lot of work.

          Here are two milestones on our descent.

          Under Obama:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

          A bit further back:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

          The patriot act is one that’s really been echoed in Europe recently with the age verification stuff.

          Electing far right leaders is a sign of what might come. And if your response to it is, “our elected far right politicians don’t shit themselves on camera, we’re better than America” then you’re going down the same path we did. When the Patriot Act passed, critics were shutdown, because this is America, and we’re the righteous ones, our leaders are elected and want to see our country succeed. If you time traveled to 2001 and warned people of everything that Trump is doing now, they wouldn’t believe you.

          We’re not saying America is better. We’re not saying that we have the answers. We’re saying that your path looks familiar.

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      2 days ago

      thrice

      Some Americans voted for the fat orange fuck 3 god damned times. That said, didn’t Germany just elect a far right leader as well?