I often see many flaws on the judicial system, but this is definitely not one of them.
I’m glad the human rights became aware enough to say that just MAYBE, maybe a rapist needs help as much as any other mentally ill person.
Why is nobody questioning what is behind the reasons of a rapist? Does he just want to feel some short pleasure and leave? He just want to do evil things because… He wants? Why? Why is nobody considering possible sexual disorders a mind can have? Why is everybody so sure that it’s pure evil and must be punished with more evil?
I recently was on a forum and a guy was feeling guilty about his sexual ideation towards women and he called himself a rapist, even tho he didn’t end up doing anything at all, I carefully read his whole long post while most of people read only the title and condemned him saying he should die and kill himself.
I think people overestimate human free-will, I can’t see how a mind with sexual deviation is less valid than a mind with social deviation that commit crimes against the others.
Our brain is a complex mechanism and not even science understands it very well, how can we be so sure we have absolute control over our decisions?
Before some retarded brainwashed moralist say it, I’m NOT defending rape or rapist, but I sympathize with an ill mind that MAYBE, just maybe isn’t accountable for its behaviors, and punishing him with death, as every moralist proudly agree, is just resolving injustice with more injustice. You’ll just make the balance of justice weight more on the injustice side.
I don’t understand why people are so sure that every single rape crime should be punished with death or even worse, torture. While an overwhelming complex biological system is in control of our decisions.
I’m not minimizing rape or its impact, I’m just aknowleding that endless cycle of violence and agression might not be the solution.
Let’s go.
Deconstruction - there is no such things as “common sense” and “on the internet”. Unless it is your first day on the internet you should probably know by now that internet is constantly in high-emotion ape-shit mode. In other words - you cannot treat things said on the internet as things a level-headed person would say. Instead, treat it more like agitated mob rule.
Analysis - indeed the idea of rape having more severe punishment than murder may seen strange at first. However remember that murdering someone is a single time act, while raped person can suffer for prolonged time. In fact if rape ends up with pregnancy, that brings another person to life… person that will suffer through this world too. Also remember that punishments are rarely logical - if they were, punishment would in some way repay loss to the victim.
Reconstruction - topic of rape is an emotional topic and thus you can expect all the constantly overstimulated monkeys with jobs to jump at it as a sort of cleansing ritual. We live in times of constant stress and talking down to others, humiliating them, is sadly one of popular de-stress methods. Mostly because it costs you nothing to spew venom at others. A person who opens up about their problems is practically inviting others to do their worst. While it would be better for society for a person with such urges to open up and get help, it is better for individual itself to hide it until they do the deed, as this way they avoid the worst our society has to offer.
You’re mixing up social media grandstanding with actual sentencing.
It’s comfortable to call people monsters, and not have to think about why an ordinary person much like themselves could do sometthing horrible. You just get to put it out of your mind and move on.
If anyone has an incurable pathology that harms others, why allow them the freedom to continue?
My personal opinion is that people like Brock Turner or Donald Trump should be thrown in an industrial shredder.
Why does the common sense is to punish rape with death/torture?
The death sentence is NOT common sense for anyone but monsters. Especially for rape.
Castration is the most extreme option imo, and even that should only be used as a last resort if there’s no other way to get the culprit to stop repeating the offence. There should definitely be prior efforts to correct their behavior via therapy or other measures before castration is considered.
Thanks for sharing your opinion. It gives me a little of hope.
Sometimes I afraid of being part of a sick savage society who doesn’t understand the complexity behind the human mind. I don’t want to make part of this alone, comments like yours make me think I’m not alone here. So thank you.
I’m just seeing all the down votes and maybe I’m over estimating the average Lemmy user, I’d expect this savage feedback from Reddit but not here. But it seems the average Lemmy user aren’t that different in the end.
Humanity is sick, people are so worried about making money that they don’t want to deal with complex individuals.
(sorry for bad english)
Rape is serious crime.
The victim is tramautized and deals with their emotions, the victim will also be afraid of other gender because of the rape.
The solution is not ONLY punishment.
It should be punishment to scare the criminal, and then therapy / rehabilitation for them to improve.
If No punishment is done, then it will decrease the seriousness of the crime.
If No rehabilitation / therapy is made, then it could put the criminal into a downwards spiral and never become a better person.
It should be both.
Death is when the crime is commited 2 times or when there is no hope in improvement. The damages are very high.
I don’t know what you think you are on about, but (in western countries) rapists aren’t usually executed or tortured, and mental illness is usually taken into accout in sentencing of anything. That said, you would have to have a pretty fucking wild mental problem to be have it save you from a rape sentence altogeher. Loss of control is punished to prevent you from losing it after all.
I think many people didn’t realize I’m talking about the common sense not the actual laws. That’s why I started the text saying I agree with laws when it comes to this. Because if it was on the hands of ignorant masses they’d just straight up kill anyone that commit this sort of crime without underlying investigation.
Just dare you to think about defending a possible rapist on the internet, people will curse you to death (common sense, that’s the post title, not actual sense). Just look at the amount of down votes this post got.
I think the words you’re looking for are “common consensus”, not “common sense”
None of this should be construed as advocating for violence:
When you don’t kill him, you’re causing more suffering to be inflicted on dozens, hundreds of other people because you don’t want to make a tough call. Human suffering is a morally complicated situation that doesn’t have winners. There’s never going to be a perfect solution to human nature. The death penalty wasn’t trying to be one- it was a simple community management tool. It prioritized the wellbeing of the whole over the individual.
Norwegian criminal system reform is a good example.
In Norwegian crime recidivism fell to 20% compared to 50% on UK and 60-70% on US.
…Barefoot murderers, rapists and drug smugglers practise downward-facing dog and the lotus position alongside their prison officers…
“Not ‘guards’,” admonishes Hoidal gently, when I use the term. “We are prison ‘officers’ and of course we make sure an inmate serves his sentence but we also help that person become a better person. We are role models, coaches and mentors. And since our big reforms, recidivism in Norway has fallen to only 20% after two years and about 25% after five years. So this works!”
https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-48885846
I’m just saying. We’re all lost santient beings in that giant rock with illusion of control, we don’t know everything and I dare to say the weight of death sentence to an actual mentally ill person is tough, even when it comes to rape crime.
Yeah, having relatively higher socioeconomic equality is going to reduce crimes of poverty. That’s what you’re seeing in Norway. More money does not fix a brain defect that makes a person want to hurt the people around them 24 hours per day. That article is dealing with a completely different group of people and a completely different moral concern.
People make fun of the Trolley Problem, but the whole point of it is to discuss issues exactly like this, where neither solution is an overall good solution and there is no real right answer.
My favorite Trolly Problem solution, is keep the Trolly on the track with several people, then with a knife on a long pole stab the lone person on the other track. That way you get them all.
We should do it the Big Stan way: rapists get raped. Also counterfeiters, if they’re into it.
LOTS of people have done psych analysis on these people, but as far as I know, they haven’t found a cure or better therapy/punishment.
I’m sure if they found a treatment, we’d probably start doing that.
Probably a strong asterisk for “depending on what country.” Recitivism tends to be less desired in countries which outsource their prison systems either to other countries or corporations.
See ya
