the decision to graph per-community (i’ll call those "commag"s) doesn’t make sense to me. it seems to me like a bad approximation for lifetime total users that doesn’t control for either instance attitudes on commag creation or troll account registration (these usually don’t create communities). i’m unacquainted with pawb but i wouldn’t think they’re very ban-happy, and the fact that these graphs show them as twice as ban-happy per-community as, and a bit more ban happy than ml should tell you this isn’t very good methodology.

it seems more like dbzer0 and pawb don’t create many communities (but don’t close stale ones either, unlike .world), which makes sense as the ones that do exist are quite focused and targetted to the instance userbase.

Yeah I can confirm, they defederated our entire instance because I think leftists should vote against Trump.

What happens if we do a ratio of bans vs number of users?

We get a graph that compares two unrelated values?

Unless this data is purely internal instance user bannings, ‘Per capita’ has no effective meaning. As the pawb.social case shows: it’s all one user with multiple communities who regularly bans waves of sockpuppet brigades. Even the people catching strays or otherwise goes to show it has nothing to do with ‘the furries’.

Likewise I wager the SJW bans are effectively one community banning essentially one user who periodically spams accounts.

What is it about dbzer0 that makes them such prolific banners?

That whole painfully public fued against db0 over their stance on zionism may have something to do with it. Like the fake neo-nazi shit being spread against db0 that was just going on this week. It’s a wild question to have in light of all that, quite frankly.

Wow this is really interesting.

Actually this might be a great time to ask you for a feature request: lately I’ve been banned from SO MANY AI communities located on dbzer0, the trouble with that being that I’ve literally never heard of any of these, much less interacted with any of them, presumably even with a downvote.

Is this “harassment” then, to be preemptively banned from something on some other server that I had no intention of ever going to? What if someone were to create 10 communities a day and ban someone from them all? I guess that one would get noticed and shut down, but I would not put it past an AI content generator to do just this sort of thing, if it were given the ability to do so.

Anyway, perhaps those notifications could be silenced unless I’ve ever commented or at least voted in the community that I am being banned from? I don’t need to know or care about something that I have zero interest in - these unsolicited bans are spam.

I’m not even a real instance anymore, how did I make the list 😆

But also, you should see the local numbers haha

lemmy=# select count(distinct other_person_id) from mod_ban where mod_person_id in (1, 2,288);
 count 
-------
  9792
(1 row)

I wonder what happens when I hit 10,000?

I don’t really see a problem with an instance banning large numbers of users.

The ability to make exclusive spaces is part of the fediverse’s design. Suppose a queer space kept getting flooded with homophobic users, or a Muslim space got a bunch of people shitting on their religion, or something like that. Naturally, such spaces would have a higher number of bans. That doesn’t necessarily show an “echo chamber” especially since users of such communities may be federated with other communities. People complain about censorship on .ml creating an “echo chamber” but half the time I’m arguing or discussing things on other turfs like .world.

The idea that those sorts of enclaves or exclusive spaces shouldn’t exist, as is implied with the framing here, is to impose what us evil, dastardly “authoritarians” sometimes call “the tyranny of structurelessness.” No one would have a space to discuss things outside of the most prominent, hegemonic view, which would more easily sideline and overwhelm other perspectives.

As an example, I once frequented an utter cesspool on Reddit called r/CapitalismVSocialism, which was created and promoted by An-caps and where that perspective was prominent (though not exclusive). I found it was virtually impossible to have a discussion with anyone about anything, because even if you weren’t talking to an An-cap, they were always there waiting to latch on to some turn of phrase and use it against you, and everyone was too preoccupied with countering their nonsense to reach any kind of high-level discussion. I eventually got fed up with that and found that my beliefs were more challenged by going to explicitly leftist spaces because we had shared assumptions and were speaking the same language, and didn’t feel the need to be as defensive. I was never going to be convinced of anything by the An-caps and all talking to them accomplished was pissing me off.

The fediverse’s design is actually quite brilliant, because you can have a space to discuss things substantively among like-minded people while at the same time interacting with other groups.

its so funny how people complained about blahaj, the trans instance yet they dont ban very high at all, i suspect its alot of transphobic comments being directed towards the instance that are getting people banned.

“Hey everyone, look at my juvenile attempts at statistics! Look how obviously bad some people seem when I do a shit job at it while ALSO failing to apply any context of the domain being studied to my thoughts, let alone ‘calculations’ and conclusions!”

This is a terrible metric from the fucking jump. And you did a shit job of it from there. Fuck you, truly.

[Edit: love how ya closed with “so who’s weirder guyz, the marxists, the furries, or the db0s?!” Just painfully obvious how you started the whole shebang, you hate all of the groups lol]

Unsurprisingly .ml is a shithole everyone thinks it is.

Ah, time for some drama entertainment. I already grabbed the popcorn and some drinks.

Ah shit, I don’t know what to make of this, but it’s juicy

I don’t know why but the way this post was written made me read it in Tim Pool’s voice. Guess I gotta lay off majority report videos for a while now. Glad to see push back and acknowledgement in the comments that this data is irrelevant. It’s neat, but way too many factors and stretching of meanings which makes this a worthless analysis (with a very blatant bias in the reporting).

Ah I remember dbzer0, he led a harassment campaign against a Lemmy instance I used to run because he didn’t like some news articles I was posting.

Dbzero do not tolerate zionism and zionism apologia

I feel like this makes sense for very politically focused spaces, especially for less “mainstream” ideas like db0’s anarchist communities, just cause not every community will allow arguments about their stance, and even ones that do will see more arguments turn into flame wars and incivility than communities for which there simply isnt as much for heated arguments to start over, especially when the arguments arent always something “new” to that space and might just be someone from outside noticing and saying “your ideology is bad because [insert reason that community has probably heard enough before to be tired of]”.

Am a bit curious about why pawb is so high though, Ive not really noticed much of the hate that furries sometimes would get on other platforms (I guess it could be because theyre all banned but I doubt it, because that wouldnt hide it from communities outside of pawb). The instance administration has always felt rather reasonable whenever Ive seen like instance announcements or defederation decisions or such too, at least by my standards. Itd be interesting maybe to see what communities these bans tend to come from and what reasons are given, just looking through the modlog doesnt seem to help much there given that it doesnt seem to let one sort by instance.