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    It’s horrifyingly common among European countries. That’s not “every country” unless you think only westerners are civilized.

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      Somali, Chile, Argentina, south Africa, Japan, Korea, China. It’s horrifyingly common no matter what area.

      Also, what part of genocide do you think is about being civilized…?

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        South African apartheid was a Dutch colonial project. There’s been no genocide in China and the one in Korea was perpetrated by the US.

        Also, what part of genocide do you think is about being civilized…?

        Either you have the shittiest reading comprehension or you’re deliberately misrepresenting the argument to twist it into such a comical interpretation. You’re the one that said “every country” and proceeded to link to a NATOpedia page that fails to list a whole bunch of European/US genocides and even then is short, oh, about 96% of countries on earth.

        Despite numerous instances of racial discrimination in many Latin American countries (most often at the hands of CIA backed organizations like Pinochet’s government or the Brazilian junta) the fact is that none of these countries were founded on a war in favor of maintaining slavery and expanding into indigenous lands. In fact, most were founded by the descendants of indigenous peoples casting off the their colonial masters.

        To say that every country has been founded via genocide is to imply this is just a normal, unavoidable thing, which is genocide apologia. I wish westerners would stop whitewashing their Nazi ass societies like smearing the rest of us is a good alternative to doing something about the legacy of violence you were raised by.

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            Right, I just meant under the conditions specified, by the Chinese people to ethnic minorities for the purpose of resettling etc.

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          There’s been no genocide in China

          Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t realize I was talking to a tankie. Carry on.

          proceeded to link to a NATOpedia page that fails to list a whole bunch of European/US genocides and even then is short, oh, about 96% of countries on earth.

          Natopedia is a hilarious take

          I’m well aware it was not an exhaustive list.

          To say that every country has been founded via genocide is to imply this is just a normal, unavoidable thing, which is genocide apologia

          It’s not. I never said that.

          I wish westerners would stop whitewashing their Nazi ass societies like smearing the rest of us is a good alternative to doing something about the legacy of violence you were raised by.

          Wow, racist much?

          I was talking about the Japanese in Korea, actually

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            You started this saying that most countries had been FOUNDED on genocides. Stop twisting yourself up in knots to insist that it’s very normal that a nation has had an uninterrupted body of government after they either completely or partially eradicated the native population.

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              You started this saying that most countries had been FOUNDED on genocides

              I clarified in another comment I meant had done genocide, not founded on it. And yes, most. Not every.

              it’s very normal that a nation has had an uninterrupted body of government after they either completely or partially eradicated the native population

              I’m not saying it’s good. Quite the opposite in fact. I want People to just understand it’s not some united states special. However, it is much more more typical than people want to think it is

              I never referred to it as unavoidable. That was you making things up. It is avoidable, as long as we work together to stop it

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                I never referred to it as unavoidable

                No, you just claimed it had almost never been avoided.

                Anyway, this is pointless. You keep flip flopping from one argument to a different one in the space of two comments and back again all in the service of normalizing genocides of mostly European origin then going “oh guis I’m just spreading awareness that it’s not just the US” like that’s profound. Counting genocides perpetrated against a population as proof of genocide being common by almost every population is just the intellectual bankruptcy cherry on top.