Tired of this abusive business model that big companies use on games.
- I see a game on Steam with some decent price
- I click on it
- Dozens of DLCs, “Gold”, “Deluxe” “Enhanced” version to enjoy the full game
- Then you decide to pay for this shit anyway
- But then the game is behind a launcher, that needs online connection and account even if it’s full single-player
- The game sometimes are just a port from an old console with almost full price, a game that you’ve paid for before
- The game needs a hell amount of updates do become playable
- And so much more…
Steam did an excellent job keeping me away from piracy, they provide too much good feature, discounts and etc… But not even Steam can make miracles against those abusive practices.
I must say RDR1 port was the last drop to me, It’s game I played back on PS3 on my teenager time, I wanted to have some good memories and play it again, guess what, a full AAA price on a port, it’s not even a remaster.
I’ve been avoiding EA and Ubisoft games for years, but still buying from big companies on Steam. Now I just give up, there’s no more hope for AAA games, only mercenary companies are left: EA, Ubisoft, Rockstar, Activision, 2K, Bungie etc…
- EA: Games with a hell amount of DLCs, the same FIFA every single year at full price, launcher required, they don’t even try to hide anymore
- Ubisoft: Same thing as EA, lots of DLCs, missed some game content from an old Prince of Persia because they shut an old launcher integrated to the game.
- Rockstar: Launchers everywhere, charging a full price for the same game multiple times (GTA V).
- Activision: You pay a full price and it still comes with a hell amount of micro-transactions, killed COD.
- 2K: Out of nowhere decided to add a launcher to every old game they had (Bioshock and others I think) saying it was “QoL” update, now they decided to remove it, too late. The new Borderlands 4 terribly optimized, here we go with some dozens of updates again.
- Bungie: The live service model, removed a lot of old paid contents from Destiny, the game will eventually die.
I’ll still pay for small companies games, because I can, but those big ones, honestly, I don’t give a shit anymore, they could be erased from existence together with all their games, I really don’t care. Some smaller companies I’ve had a good experience and I think it’s worth paying for: Ghost Ship Games, No More Robots, Hello Games, Techland, Frictional Games, Annapurna Interactive.
Some companies are in a limbo to me, I’m not entirely sure about it: Capcom, Bethesda, Warner, Square Enix.
So, that’s it, I just downloaded Spider Man Remastered and RDR from FitGirl, it worked seamless, I didn’t have a single issue. I could even add as non-Steam game and use Steam input (thanks Steam), I’ll probably use some script to move to savegames data to the cloud, and let the packed games on an external HDD (finally, I’ll own my games).
Another thing that’s hard to ditch to me is achievement tracker, I know we have AchievementWatcher but it doesn’t work too well on pirated games. It’s something I’ll need to get used, not a big deal tbh.
I’ll probably use the money I’d spend on AAA games to explore some indie games. And AAA games are now always pirate.
Obs.: The companies I’ve mentioned here are from my own experience, this isn’t meant to be an Wikipedia of good/bad companies, I know there are more decent and bad companies out there.
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I just don’t buy games that have features I don’t like. I don’t pirate them, I just don’t play them.
Most of my money goes to indies because they don’t pull this BS. I’ll play the occasional AAA game if it’s worth it, but not many.
I am not going to be the one to try to stop you but you need to keep in mind that games/sw piracy comes with great risks.
You need to execute anti cheat / drm / copyrighted stuff and this is always a big door open to malware.
Be cautious out there, it is not a pleasant walk
Thats why you usually use a VM / dedicated computer to download / check pirated software. Its annoying… But less annoying than the shit that ubisoft / EA does…
Using a VM to check pirated software, but then running it on your main pc if you don’t notice any malware (I think that’s what you are saying?) is not safe.
Running untrusted software only on a vm or machine that you don’t care about with zero personal info is safest.
At least from Lutris you can run your games (pirated our otherwise) genuinelly sandboxed with something like Bubblewrap or Firejail, which as far as I can tell you can’t do in Steam (unless you sandbox Steam itself, which is problematic if for example you want to deny networking to some games but not others).
IMHO, if you sandbox them it’s actually safer to run pirated versions of games in Linux than running the official versions from Steam with no sandboxing, at least for AAA games since pretty much all those companies have done or do abusive shit.
At this point I trust Fitgirl repacks more than some official publishers.
I’ve a dual boot with Linux + Windows, my games are isolated on Windows where I’m not logged in anything important. I can just encrypt my Linux partition for a possible vulnerability. But I really think that it’s hard to happen, at least it never happened to me, I’ve pirated before a few times.
Also it’s allowed to pirate on my country, it’s just not allowed to redistribute it, so I don’t need a VPN.
Just download from trusted sources and it’s fine. At this point I’d rather to trust the community providing pirated games than big companies harvesting my data.
Why not just use Linux to game?
I didn’t have a good experience with Linux, I tried twice, I’ve a laptop wit hybrid GPU AMD + NVIDIA, and NVIDIA is painful on Linux. I loose a lot of performance playing on Linux, tried Fedora last time, OpenSUSE before that.
I might try again eventually.
Try arch
Well, it would not be the first time that an anti cheat is having a Trojan and a Keylogger to add a computer into a botnet.
Let’s be honest here, nobody is interested in yiur specific data but your hw…
The hell does “piracy against big companies” even mean?
Man, pirate what you can’t afford if you must, just… you know, be honest about it. I’m always annoyed by people doing the thing they wanted to do anyway and presenting it as activism. That’s not how that works.
For the record, while I think there’s plenty to be critical about in modern gaming, “DLC”, “game has a launcher” and “game is ported from other platforms” are not that. “A game I played on the PS3 was too expensive when I wanted to rebuy it” is somebody giving you bad value up front, not some ideological stance you’re taking.
For the record, I also didn’t buy it because I also didn’t think their launch price was right. In fairness, it has since been on sale for 30 bucks multiple times, which is a lot more reasonable.
And again, I’m not saying don’t pirate it. Do what you want. Just don’t be weird about it.
The hell does “piracy against big companies” even mean?
Paying for indies while pirating AAA isn’t that hard of a concept to wrap your head around. Sounds more like a “you” problem
It’s a “me” problem in that “I” think the indies vs AAA lines are increasingly inconsistent and nonsensical. “I” also find the concept of “pirating against” to be extremely disingenuous, which is why there is a whole post explaining that after the line you quoted.
RDR is €50 full price and includes all dlcs, €30 atm in autumn sale. AAA games are priced between 60-90 these days. What do you mean it’s full AAA priced
In my head anything above ~40 eur is basically AAA pricing. Personally, I’m not going to acclimate to their new prices being double that. If it’s above 40 it basically doesn’t exist to me.
It was launched with full price, it’s not even remastered, just a port. I’ve paid for this already on PS3.
It was 50 on release too. I agree it’s overpriced but I’m just saying calling it full AAA price is not accurate
I haven’t bought a full price AAA game in at least 20 years for this reason.
The last few years though things are getting really bad and I have begun investing heavily into retro game disks for my PC as well as on my OG Wii and PS1, 2 and 3 games for my PS3 phat.
I’m getting some great games for l from $1 - $12 that i can play anytime, no connection required.
My old consoles are showing their age, and I’m pretty sure my ps2 bit the dust. I’m trying to get my foot in the door on emulating, but linux has been more difficult to navigate than windows.
I use Linux exclusively, stick with it, the learning curve is definitely worth it.
I mean, I do use linux exclusively. I just struggle with the emulation. I had a ps2 emulator going after mine crashed, but then it randomly started running like dogshit one day out of the blue, and nothing I tried could get its framerates up.
Me neither, I’m just saying, the prices are too high, the games I bought on Steam I always waited at least 50% discount.
But now it’s everything $0,00.
If something isn’t respecting your values, I’m of the opinion that you make a stronger statement by not even pirating those games. If you’re spending time playing them, you’re also not spending time and money playing some game that was meticulously made to respect your values. You’re fine playing indie games, but you’d play more of them if you gave up playing these AAA games that you decided to pirate. You talk to your friends and on forums about the games you play, which will at some point convince someone else to buy and play them, too. If you want them to hurt, so that they change, don’t even give them the time of day.
That’s right, it’s exactly what I think, you are one way or another helping a game to be known. The same strategy people talked about why Microsoft don’t shut every Office cracker, they want normal people to use it and get used to it, so companies will use it too, eventually, and they can audit some IT companies, charge a hell amount of money if they use pirated software.
I agree with everything, but I’ll still pirate AAA games, just for the experience. I classify publishers/developers companies like this:
- Companies it doesn’t even worth playing to avoid indirect marketing: Ubisoft, EA
- Companies that at least it worth pirating: Activistion, Rockstar, etc…
Let’s be honest, the games are good, probably made by some people who love what they were doing, but then it was put behind a shitty business model, because developers are just trying to make a living while executives trying to harvest all the money.
I think as the time goes, developers will start making their choices better, leave predatory companies, start or join indie companies, and I, at the same time, will migrate to a more indie focused gaming.
You follow your own moral compass. My feelings are, if I was short on money, I’ve got a backlog and a stream of games being thrown at me for free (legally) such that I’d never have to pirate and never be bored. I’m willing to pay more for a good product, and I so thoroughly enjoyed Borderlands 1-3 that I bought the deluxe edition of 4 that was a no-go for you; they’re one of the few AAA devs keeping LAN alive, and that is worth me throwing me money at them to tell them they’re doing it right, on top of just making a very fun game. The companies whose games you’re pirating are the ones that need the attention the least, but every game you could be instead funneling time and money into benefits so much more from each individual sale. Plus, the reason we’ve got so much anti-consumer bullshit in games now is because piracy was a boogeyman for the industry for a long time, so I’d rather not give them any additional data points to make things even worse when we’ve already got an entire era of video game history that disappears when their servers go offline. That’s how I see it anyway.
The times I don’t feel gross about pirating, personally, are when the pirated version is supposedly the better version of the game (like emulating an old console game instead of playing a compromised PC port) or when the game is delisted and no longer available through ordinary channels, like Battlefield 2. You do what feels right to you. Pirating Nintendo games is an option to me, but they bother me as a consumer in all sorts of ways, and I instead spend that time and money on games like The Thaumaturge rather than playing through Tears of the Kingdom. Nintendo will be just fine without my sale. The team behind The Thaumaturge may or may not have made enough money to make a second game. If Nintendo was a less shitty company, I’d be buying and playing Metroid Prime 4. Maybe I’ll end up discovering and enjoying something else during that time that needs my dollar more instead.
This is the best way. Give your time and money to something you believe in instead of wasting a moment on something you don’t.
Since you mentioned publishers that haven’t been greedy, I’ll throw a few more out there that I think are worthy of support. They don’t need launchers, that don’t need accounts, they don’t have predatory subscriptions. They just make great games.
- Supergiant Games: Transistor, Hades, Hades II
- Larian Studios: Divinity Original Sin, DOS II, Baldur’s Gate 3
- Playstack: Balatro
Otherwise, I’m totally with you. The account-walling of the Internet as a whole has pissed me off royally and I see no reason to give those bastards what they want.
Supergiant Games took a payout to make Hades a times exclusive for EGS. They still have some anti-consumer practices, even if you personally don’t think it’s as bad.
As much as I dislike the mechanics of Larian, I still bought their games.
I can relate. I played DOS when it had a camera locked to a 90 degree arc. XD
@CodenameDarlen@lemmy.world and plus, most of the time, when you’re buying indie games from steam, they’re drm-free, so you can play them offline, run them without steam running in the background.
honestly, I have no more hope in the AAA games, since it will be the same game over and over again with different skins or slight UI tweaks. there’s nothing much Steam can do at this point, because it’s the business model of these companies in the end. It’s time to give back all the money wasted on these AAA games to indie titles now, it’s well deserved…:bilibili_dianzan:
I don’t try to criticize people for pirating games. They’re expensive and a lot are greedy.
What I do tell people though is support good games.
If you end up playing a pirated game you really enjoy, you should try to support it if you can, even if it’s from one of the bigger publishers. It’s basically our only way to truly tell a publisher that we like something and to keep making it.
Not counting un reasonably priced re-releases though. I totally get that (looking at you Nintendo for Galaxy 1+2)
I tried CP2077 (post fixes) and No Man’s Sky pirated. Within 3 days I bought the retail versions because I loved them. Played a LOT of shitty pirated games since, usually no more than 2-3 hours. Steam wouldn’t refund me for that amount of time, so I figured this was fair.
God I love CP
Uhhh… I hope you mean Cyber punk
Haaaaaaaaaaaaank
I’m planning on yo-ho’ing CP2077, but no way an I paying even if I enjoy it. CDPR has fucked me over enough with The Witcher trilogy that they owe me a free game to make up for the time and money wasted.
After that, I might be willing to give them money again for something else, but I’m not paying for Cyberpunk
Bit busy so can’t make a long comment. Just wanted to say, welcome to the ‘dark’ side. I highly recommend to check the instance I’m on for everything you need (Megathread). It tells you where to look, which safety measures to take etc.
I wanted to purchase Metaphor Refantzio because the game seems good and then figured out they blatantly said “you don’t own Metaphor even if you purchase it”. Thus decided to pirate it (it isn’t cracked but it is playable).
Okay, okay.
I am going to have to whip out this criticism for anybody that has made these kind of rants.
STOP. FOCUSING. ON. AAA. GAMES!
I’m not kidding, that’s your problem and that’s anyone else’s problem who get sick of gaming as a whole. You keep kicking that can down the street for AAA game development to pander to you, but end up disappointed over and over and over. But you still kept your hand out, you still bought their games at Day 1, you still bought their DLC, you still waited for all and any patchwork. You were still there!
Meanwhile I and several dozen others by now, have been in the pirating game for years before you and anyone else had the guts to finally join in after having your face slapped hundreds of times by this point.
And people have been also telling you for years as to what the better alternatives that was out there were, but nooope! Still stuck to AAA development.
Took you long enough.
There’s a scene like this in one of the Telltale Sam and Max games that really deserves a better reenactment. Went something like this:
Sam: “So, Bosco, how much do you want for this…’Deadly virus’ that’s really just a tissue you sneezed into?”
Bosco: “A hundred trillion dollars.”
Max: “WHAT? That’s insane!!”
Sam: “How crazy can you get to think we’re going to pay something like that?”
Bosco: “All I know is, I keep finding the dumbest junk around my store, and think up the most ridiculous price I can imagine for them! And you two keep paying it! So who’s crazy now, fool?”I think you can generalize it even further to don’t reward bad behavior. That should include purchasing goods and services from organizations that try to exploit people or commoditize art.
Steam is fine, for the most part, but steam is also DRM. Personally I opt to buy games on GoG, because whatever releases there, you can download the installer and play offline, anywhere, anytime, and due to the platform requirements it strips a lot of the extra nonsense of requiring accounts and launchers and such.
The one downside is some publishers/developers don’t have the latest version on there or release on there later as definitive builds, but it’s better than having to deal with all that nonsense to begin with.
Also, I’m more confident that old games will work out of the box from gog than Steam. Unfortunately, as a Linux user, out of the box proton supports on Steam is just too convenient. I can’t think of many gog games that natively run on Linux.
Through Heroic, while there are some exceptions, you get nearly the same out of the box compatibility. And if you don’t get that compatibility and don’t have the patience to troubleshoot, the refund system for GOG is very generous. I just tried The Alters today, which I knew had issues with Proton outside of Steam Deck, and I got it working just before running out of patience and refunding the game.
Sometimes half the fun is troubleshooting, to the point where you had your fun fixing something and don’t feel like playing the game anymore.
I don’t have to troubleshoot anything most of the time, and I’ve bought dozens of games through GOG of late, for what it’s worth. And in the case of The Alters, the Steam version has many of the same problems. Just letting you know it’s an option, anyway. You can even route some of your GOG purchase to go toward development of Heroic by buying through the Heroic client, so that it makes sure it only gets better and so that GOG knows how much of their revenue they’re giving up to people who want this sort of functionality.
Steam is also American, so I’m using GoG more now.
I wouldn’t add pirated games to steam. I think I heard they can ban your account for that. But yeah agree, don’t support bs practices.
How would you add pirated games? Just adding their shortcuts to the library? No, lol.
Buying games from places like CDKeys (now known as Loaded, dumb name)? Probably not either.
I think I heard they can ban your account for that.
No, they don’t. That’s just anti-piracy propaganda at work
Yea, the spacewar game charts would like to disagree with you. It’s a game that pirates specifically use to enable Steam features on pirated games.
Adding a program to steam doesn’t even send Valve any info other than possibly the name of the executable you’re running. Which you can easily change to be Notepad.exe.
Better to go to GPLv3 games.
Because they are most scared that people don’t even want to pirate their shit.
Too many investors coming off cheap, obvious ripoff games for a mobile telephone.
The trump family of asshole con-men just bought EA. Everything from now until they’re sold off for scrap is not only completely worthless, is actively hostile to users.
It’s a sign that the cons and grifting has 100% fully come to Computer games. Many have exploited them before, but not like this.
