It’s awesome if you’re a tourist. hardly a local phenomenon, farming and forestry got professionalized, less people can get jobs in these sectors, people move out, there’s not enough traffic to sustain other businesses and you get dying villages filled with stubborn retirees
Though I understand what you’re saying, I wouldn’t say farming is a “job” here. My family, as recently as the 90s, would literally supplement their livelihood by living off the land. The cattle, crop was to survive off of. The community would help each other with harvest. I wouldn’t say the villages are dying, instead they are being commercialized. The villages were dying in the 90s when people were moving out of Poland. Now there is an actual real estate market, in the 90s few would by a home in one of the valleys around zakopane. Just my opinion, not a fact since afterall my family were one of many to GTFO of Poland for a “better life”.
i come from a bit flatter place and yeah farming used to be something done by about everyone as a side job, but while most of land around village, population 500, was also owned by about everyone, now 3/4 of it is owned by maybe 4 families who are actual, professional farmers who do actual, industrial farming. (this really kicked off when farmers could get loans for new machinery, and with EU money influx) other than another handful of people who work within village, and retirees, everyone else commutes to and works in bigger towns around, and some moved abroad entirely. this is how it looked in 00s, and from there it can go in two directions: when there’s not enough people around, all of these tiny shops in villages close and people eventually move out, or some people open other small businesses where they live and situation stabilizes sort of. but also independent from that, some people who get specialized degrees don’t come back but instead stay in cities where they got it, because there are no jobs they’re qualified for there. there are villages where places like hairdressers or various kinds of workshops open up and people stay and live there and there are villages where there are no births in entire year, because everyone under 30 moved out
This same type of thing happens here in the United States. The amount of small towns that have been absolutely destroyed due to “corporate farming” is high. Most small town in the USA have been hurt by these industrial farming practices. Although let’s not forget, my parents hated being forced to farm to survive. They dreamed of just having a job and some free time without needing to toil in the fields. So the question is, was joining the EU and ending up in these positions better for the people of Poland?
closer to 20%, and about as many as opposed EU accesion in the first place. PiS barks a lot but doesn’t want to actually quit because this would eviscerate their support base that does depend on EU funding, like farmers but not only them
I still have family that lives in the zakopane area. When I talk to them the stuff they say reminds me of trump supporters in USA. Very conspiratorial and I can’t reason with them because they use Facebook sources. Also polling always undercounts these types of people… Once again look at USA. Just my 2 cents but things are getting weird there in Poland.
It’s awesome if you’re a tourist. hardly a local phenomenon, farming and forestry got professionalized, less people can get jobs in these sectors, people move out, there’s not enough traffic to sustain other businesses and you get dying villages filled with stubborn retirees
Though I understand what you’re saying, I wouldn’t say farming is a “job” here. My family, as recently as the 90s, would literally supplement their livelihood by living off the land. The cattle, crop was to survive off of. The community would help each other with harvest. I wouldn’t say the villages are dying, instead they are being commercialized. The villages were dying in the 90s when people were moving out of Poland. Now there is an actual real estate market, in the 90s few would by a home in one of the valleys around zakopane. Just my opinion, not a fact since afterall my family were one of many to GTFO of Poland for a “better life”.
i come from a bit flatter place and yeah farming used to be something done by about everyone as a side job, but while most of land around village, population 500, was also owned by about everyone, now 3/4 of it is owned by maybe 4 families who are actual, professional farmers who do actual, industrial farming. (this really kicked off when farmers could get loans for new machinery, and with EU money influx) other than another handful of people who work within village, and retirees, everyone else commutes to and works in bigger towns around, and some moved abroad entirely. this is how it looked in 00s, and from there it can go in two directions: when there’s not enough people around, all of these tiny shops in villages close and people eventually move out, or some people open other small businesses where they live and situation stabilizes sort of. but also independent from that, some people who get specialized degrees don’t come back but instead stay in cities where they got it, because there are no jobs they’re qualified for there. there are villages where places like hairdressers or various kinds of workshops open up and people stay and live there and there are villages where there are no births in entire year, because everyone under 30 moved out
This same type of thing happens here in the United States. The amount of small towns that have been absolutely destroyed due to “corporate farming” is high. Most small town in the USA have been hurt by these industrial farming practices. Although let’s not forget, my parents hated being forced to farm to survive. They dreamed of just having a job and some free time without needing to toil in the fields. So the question is, was joining the EU and ending up in these positions better for the people of Poland?
what the fuck are you talking about, nobody wants to leave eu, comparing 90s to now it’s like day and night
29% is a good amount. PiS questions EU all the time no?
closer to 20%, and about as many as opposed EU accesion in the first place. PiS barks a lot but doesn’t want to actually quit because this would eviscerate their support base that does depend on EU funding, like farmers but not only them
I still have family that lives in the zakopane area. When I talk to them the stuff they say reminds me of trump supporters in USA. Very conspiratorial and I can’t reason with them because they use Facebook sources. Also polling always undercounts these types of people… Once again look at USA. Just my 2 cents but things are getting weird there in Poland.
yeah i figured, i don’t know if you have figured that things have changed in the last 20 years or so