It’s really sad to see in this place among others so many people defending a for profit corporation that belongs to a billionare and his centralized closed third party software launcher. Anyone arguing this is the law of nature should take a break from videogames and go outside to enjoy nature.
Name one other company that’s doing more for open source and open platforms than Valve.
They’ve helped push gaming on Linux from a very niche process to basically having Windows native games work better on Linux than on Windows. They do this via Proton which they upstream into WINE (all open source and free to use by anyone).
They’ve silently funded an x86 to ARM emulator for years and it’s entirely open source (anyone can use it).
The Steam client is a 1st class citizen on Linux. It doesn’t matter that their client is closed source, because all the tools they employ is open source. The client is mostly just the store portion of their stuff. The actual tools that run the games are open source.
They’re also the only major games store that supports Linux natively (itch.io exists, and they’re great, but Steam is so much bigger).
Name a company that does even half of that. Just one company.
Name one other company that’s doing more for open source and open platforms than Valve.
Any non profit company who’s products isn’t a proprietary third party software launcher.
They’ve helped push gaming on Linux from a very niche process to basically having Windows native games work better on Linux than on Windows.
They have built a semi-monopoly on videogames relying for two decades on closed source products and windows, they are now looking at the linux share because microsoft in the past years made bullish acquisitions in the videogames industry.
The Steam client is a 1st class citizen on Linux. It doesn’t matter that their client is closed source, because all the tools they employ is open source.
If the client doesn’t matter that much that’s even more reasons to release the source code.
Name a company that does even half of that. Just one company.
companies usually make money, non profit organizations help people
Any non profit company who’s products isn’t a proprietary third party software launcher.
You’re being disingenuous. You know full well the context of the argument precludes non-profits.
They have built a semi-monopoly on videogames relying for two decades on closed source products and windows, they are now looking at the linux share because microsoft in the past years made bullish acquisitions in the videogames industry.
You might want to check your math on that. Steam on Windows was originally released in 2003, and released on Linux in 2013.
And the reason for their interest has nothing to do with Microsoft’s game studio acquisitions, and everything to do with Microsoft’s attempts to lock down the Windows ecosystem back in the Windows 8/RT days.
If the client doesn’t matter that much that’s even more reasons to release the source code.
No one said it doesn’t matter. It’s their software/platform/service. They can do whatever they want, and it’s their right to do so. If you don’t want to use their platform, you don’t have to.
companies usually make money, non profit organizations help people
Usually. But the fact that Valve’s interests align with the benefits of its userbase isn’t a bad thing. Making money isn’t a crime, and making money while building a system people like also isn’t a bad thing.
You seem to have a strange hatred towards Valve for simply existing. Are you friends with Tim Sweeney or something?
And the reason for their interest has nothing to do with Microsoft’s game studio acquisitions, and everything to do with Microsoft’s attempts to lock down the Windows ecosystem back in the Windows 8/RT days.
Both of them.
If you don’t want to use their platform, you don’t have to.
Exactly, don’t use it
Usually. But the fact that Valve’s interests align with the benefits of its userbase isn’t a bad thing.
My interests are in free, open source and decentralized platforms. What about yours?
Making money isn’t a crime
Making billions is a crime because there is no good way to do it, you have to be greedy and use shady methods to gain so much money. Valve promotes gambling to kids and makes a billion a year on microtransactions.
You seem to have a strange hatred towards Valve for simply existing.
Billionares and corporations do not simply exist, they are built on the exploitation of others
Between 2003 (the launch of Steam on Windows) and 2013 (the launch of Steam on Linux) Microsoft acquired two game studios. Whereas in 2018 alone (the start of their acquisition spree) they acquired six.
Exactly, don’t use it
Well, I want to use it. There is no better game store with as many good deals, and that supports Linux.
Show me a game store that supports Linux with a good selection of games of modern and major game titles.
Also, Steam directly supports and funds a plethora of open source tools that benefit everyone.
My interests are in free, open source and decentralized platforms. What about yours?
Agreed, which is why I use Linux and support companies that also support Linux.
Making billions is a crime because there is no good way to do it
Billionares and corporations do not simply exist, they are built on the exploitation of others
You’re right about 99.99+% of cases. And I’m not defending Valve as some altruistic company. But lumping in Valve with the likes of Amazon, Oracle, Nvidia, Monsanto, Elon Musk, etc, simply on the amount of money they make is desingenous at best, but frankly is insane.
You’re one of those people that have a militant mindset when it comes to FOSS that gives open source a weird and bad reputation.
Open source literally cannot exist without companies using it to make money. The majority of funding for things like development of Linux itself comes directly from donations from for-profit companies.
Hell, the historically two largest distributions by install count (Ubuntu and Fedora) are developed and maintained by for-profit companies.
Say “hi” to Tim Sweeney. Tell him Canada is just fine without him moving here.
If you feel the urge to play to certain videogames and can’t resist you are probably addicted to these.
Also, Steam directly supports and funds a plethora of open source tools that benefit everyone.
So do other evil corporations like microsoft and google. They do more damage than good.
You’re right about 99.99+% of cases. And I’m not defending Valve as some altruistic company. But lumping in Valve with the likes of Amazon, Oracle, Nvidia, Monsanto, Elon Musk, etc, simply on the amount of money they make is desingenous at best, but frankly is insane.
Valve ceo owns more megayachts than bezos or elon musk and his company promotes gambling to kids and sell you games under DRMs.
They are just as bad
You’re one of those people that have a militant mindset when it comes to FOSS that gives open source a weird and bad reputation.
You are defending a billionare corporation, do you have any reputation at all?
I suggest you to not play proprietary junk that belongs to evil corporations.
You have no idea what you’re talking about, and frankly you sound like a psycho.
Companies like EA make up a small fraction of the available games. Most of them are small studios with people who have a passion for making games.
So do other evil corporations like microsoft and google.
Which proves my point that FOSS can’t exist in a vacuum. I hope your using the Hurd kernel, otherwise you’re still benefiting from and using the work of evil corporations!
Valve ceo owns more megayachts than bezos or elon musk
He owns a shipyard. It’s a side passion of his. And most of his vessels serve a scientific purpose, like marine research.
He seems a bit like James Cameron in that sense. Cameron’s first passion was marine research, and he used his earnings from film production to fund his own research stuff.
There is NOTHING wrong with someone who made bank using their money for their passion. It means they keep they money flowing through the economy instead of just sitting in a bank account.
They are just as bad
Then either you are ignorant of the world or have a child’s understand of things.
You are defending a billionare corporation
A bit, ya.
do you have any reputation at all?
Yes, lots of people know me. Therefore I have a reputation.
In a vacuum it sucks, but we’re grading on a curve here. The nice thing about valve is that it’s asleep at the wheel. Yes they’re making ridiculous amounts of money but they could be making more if they decided to “develop” their platform, and it would be bad for everyone. Cthulhu sleeps and I for one would prefer the situation continue.
As for the billionaire…. I have no strong opinion about him, but again we’re grading on a curve here, it’s amazing how few countries he’s ruined or pedos he’s been in photos with, I have limited hate to spread around and I don’t have sufficient justification to smear any on him.
It reminds me of the manufactured hate on Taylor Swift.
Yea, she’s rich; but being rich alone, and using a plane, is not the direct cause of everyone’s misery. It’s often a red flag, yes, and can point to other things. We can argue they should pay more taxes, but even more we argue that they shouldn’t have intense control over our politics. And from what I see, Gabe and Swift don’t.
Yeah, if I had a lot of money, I’d probably buy a boat. Probably not 20 or whatever, but idk. I’d probably fly a lot of places. Probably not that many, but idk. Regardless, I 100% still would not traffic or rape children. Just the kind of guy I am, I guess.
It’s really sad to see in this place among others so many people defending a for profit corporation that belongs to a billionare and his centralized closed third party software launcher. Anyone arguing this is the law of nature should take a break from videogames and go outside to enjoy nature.
Name one other company that’s doing more for open source and open platforms than Valve.
They’ve helped push gaming on Linux from a very niche process to basically having Windows native games work better on Linux than on Windows. They do this via Proton which they upstream into WINE (all open source and free to use by anyone).
They’ve silently funded an x86 to ARM emulator for years and it’s entirely open source (anyone can use it).
The Steam client is a 1st class citizen on Linux. It doesn’t matter that their client is closed source, because all the tools they employ is open source. The client is mostly just the store portion of their stuff. The actual tools that run the games are open source.
They’re also the only major games store that supports Linux natively (itch.io exists, and they’re great, but Steam is so much bigger).
Name a company that does even half of that. Just one company.
Any non profit company who’s products isn’t a proprietary third party software launcher.
They have built a semi-monopoly on videogames relying for two decades on closed source products and windows, they are now looking at the linux share because microsoft in the past years made bullish acquisitions in the videogames industry.
If the client doesn’t matter that much that’s even more reasons to release the source code.
companies usually make money, non profit organizations help people
You’re being disingenuous. You know full well the context of the argument precludes non-profits.
You might want to check your math on that. Steam on Windows was originally released in 2003, and released on Linux in 2013.
And the reason for their interest has nothing to do with Microsoft’s game studio acquisitions, and everything to do with Microsoft’s attempts to lock down the Windows ecosystem back in the Windows 8/RT days.
No one said it doesn’t matter. It’s their software/platform/service. They can do whatever they want, and it’s their right to do so. If you don’t want to use their platform, you don’t have to.
Usually. But the fact that Valve’s interests align with the benefits of its userbase isn’t a bad thing. Making money isn’t a crime, and making money while building a system people like also isn’t a bad thing.
You seem to have a strange hatred towards Valve for simply existing. Are you friends with Tim Sweeney or something?
Both of them.
Exactly, don’t use it
My interests are in free, open source and decentralized platforms. What about yours?
Making billions is a crime because there is no good way to do it, you have to be greedy and use shady methods to gain so much money. Valve promotes gambling to kids and makes a billion a year on microtransactions.
Billionares and corporations do not simply exist, they are built on the exploitation of others
Between 2003 (the launch of Steam on Windows) and 2013 (the launch of Steam on Linux) Microsoft acquired two game studios. Whereas in 2018 alone (the start of their acquisition spree) they acquired six.
Well, I want to use it. There is no better game store with as many good deals, and that supports Linux.
Show me a game store that supports Linux with a good selection of games of modern and major game titles.
Also, Steam directly supports and funds a plethora of open source tools that benefit everyone.
Agreed, which is why I use Linux and support companies that also support Linux.
You’re right about 99.99+% of cases. And I’m not defending Valve as some altruistic company. But lumping in Valve with the likes of Amazon, Oracle, Nvidia, Monsanto, Elon Musk, etc, simply on the amount of money they make is desingenous at best, but frankly is insane.
You’re one of those people that have a militant mindset when it comes to FOSS that gives open source a weird and bad reputation.
Open source literally cannot exist without companies using it to make money. The majority of funding for things like development of Linux itself comes directly from donations from for-profit companies.
Hell, the historically two largest distributions by install count (Ubuntu and Fedora) are developed and maintained by for-profit companies.
Say “hi” to Tim Sweeney. Tell him Canada is just fine without him moving here.
I suggest you to not play proprietary junk that belongs to evil corporations.
https://libregaming.org/
https://libregamewiki.org/Main_Page
If you feel the urge to play to certain videogames and can’t resist you are probably addicted to these.
So do other evil corporations like microsoft and google. They do more damage than good.
Valve ceo owns more megayachts than bezos or elon musk and his company promotes gambling to kids and sell you games under DRMs.
They are just as bad
You are defending a billionare corporation, do you have any reputation at all?
You have no idea what you’re talking about, and frankly you sound like a psycho.
Companies like EA make up a small fraction of the available games. Most of them are small studios with people who have a passion for making games.
Which proves my point that FOSS can’t exist in a vacuum. I hope your using the Hurd kernel, otherwise you’re still benefiting from and using the work of evil corporations!
He owns a shipyard. It’s a side passion of his. And most of his vessels serve a scientific purpose, like marine research.
He seems a bit like James Cameron in that sense. Cameron’s first passion was marine research, and he used his earnings from film production to fund his own research stuff.
There is NOTHING wrong with someone who made bank using their money for their passion. It means they keep they money flowing through the economy instead of just sitting in a bank account.
Then either you are ignorant of the world or have a child’s understand of things.
A bit, ya.
Yes, lots of people know me. Therefore I have a reputation.
Says the guy defending a corporation that promotes gambling to kids
In a vacuum it sucks, but we’re grading on a curve here. The nice thing about valve is that it’s asleep at the wheel. Yes they’re making ridiculous amounts of money but they could be making more if they decided to “develop” their platform, and it would be bad for everyone. Cthulhu sleeps and I for one would prefer the situation continue.
As for the billionaire…. I have no strong opinion about him, but again we’re grading on a curve here, it’s amazing how few countries he’s ruined or pedos he’s been in photos with, I have limited hate to spread around and I don’t have sufficient justification to smear any on him.
It reminds me of the manufactured hate on Taylor Swift.
Yea, she’s rich; but being rich alone, and using a plane, is not the direct cause of everyone’s misery. It’s often a red flag, yes, and can point to other things. We can argue they should pay more taxes, but even more we argue that they shouldn’t have intense control over our politics. And from what I see, Gabe and Swift don’t.
Yeah, if I had a lot of money, I’d probably buy a boat. Probably not 20 or whatever, but idk. I’d probably fly a lot of places. Probably not that many, but idk. Regardless, I 100% still would not traffic or rape children. Just the kind of guy I am, I guess.