This is an implicit part of my point: If the state doesn’t provide a social safety net, or protection from violence, then you’re also (in the moral framework I’m advocating for) absolved of your obligation to support said state through taxes and military service.
I’m lucky enough to live in a state that provides both, so I think it’s completely fair that I’m obligated to support that system as long as I also get the benefits of it. At its core, a state is a social contract regarding what you can expect of others (via the state), and what others can expect of you. If you’re seeing only obligations and no benefits, then the state (social contract) is dysfunctional and/or unfair.
Unless you are wealthy and connected the system will run you over and never look back. I know so many adults just like you that have caught charges for doing absolutely nothing wrong.
You argument is a weak version of I got mine pretending a system that only cares about capital actually gives a fuck about you.
I quite honestly don’t see what you mean. I’m advocating for how I think a society should work, while acknowledging that I live in a society that’s fairly close to that ideal. Sure, we have a lot of stuff to improve, but I have yet to see the kind of situation in my country that you’re talking about.
“I got mine” would imply that I’m somehow ignoring the problems that exist elsewhere: I’m not, I’m simply acknowledging that I’m lucky enough to live in a system that I feel is worth supporting.
'I’m lucky enough to live in a state that provides both, so I think it’s completely fair that I’m obligated to support that system as long as I also get the benefits of it"
This is some serious I got mine vibes. It is okay that you can’t recognize your imaginary privilege.
I’m trying to be very explicit on two things: 1) My country also has plenty of issues that need work, but I think the overall system/philosophy behind how it currently works is worth defending. 2) I acknowledge that many countries don’t provide the social safety and protection for its citizens that warrants the contributions I’m talking about.
I thought “I got mine” would mean that I was content with my own situation and therefore neglected the plight of others. That’s not at all what I’m doing or attempting to convey.
In the text you quoted, I was using myself to represent the generic citizen. I could rephrase it as: “I’m lucky enough to live in a state that provides both for everyone living within the borders, so I think it’s fair that all the citizens with the right to influence that state also contribute to carrying the burden of supporting those rights as long as they get the benefits of them.”
Thank you, I was thinking you were from the US or the UK which are both god awful countries.
Norway has a significant wealth gap that is driving far right policies like immigration. Keep up the good fight and vote for policies to address this wealth gap before it is too late. Cheers!
This is an implicit part of my point: If the state doesn’t provide a social safety net, or protection from violence, then you’re also (in the moral framework I’m advocating for) absolved of your obligation to support said state through taxes and military service.
I’m lucky enough to live in a state that provides both, so I think it’s completely fair that I’m obligated to support that system as long as I also get the benefits of it. At its core, a state is a social contract regarding what you can expect of others (via the state), and what others can expect of you. If you’re seeing only obligations and no benefits, then the state (social contract) is dysfunctional and/or unfair.
Unless you are wealthy and connected the system will run you over and never look back. I know so many adults just like you that have caught charges for doing absolutely nothing wrong.
You argument is a weak version of I got mine pretending a system that only cares about capital actually gives a fuck about you.
I quite honestly don’t see what you mean. I’m advocating for how I think a society should work, while acknowledging that I live in a society that’s fairly close to that ideal. Sure, we have a lot of stuff to improve, but I have yet to see the kind of situation in my country that you’re talking about.
“I got mine” would imply that I’m somehow ignoring the problems that exist elsewhere: I’m not, I’m simply acknowledging that I’m lucky enough to live in a system that I feel is worth supporting.
'I’m lucky enough to live in a state that provides both, so I think it’s completely fair that I’m obligated to support that system as long as I also get the benefits of it"
This is some serious I got mine vibes. It is okay that you can’t recognize your imaginary privilege.
What country are you carrying water for.
I’m trying to be very explicit on two things: 1) My country also has plenty of issues that need work, but I think the overall system/philosophy behind how it currently works is worth defending. 2) I acknowledge that many countries don’t provide the social safety and protection for its citizens that warrants the contributions I’m talking about.
I thought “I got mine” would mean that I was content with my own situation and therefore neglected the plight of others. That’s not at all what I’m doing or attempting to convey.
In the text you quoted, I was using myself to represent the generic citizen. I could rephrase it as: “I’m lucky enough to live in a state that provides both for everyone living within the borders, so I think it’s fair that all the citizens with the right to influence that state also contribute to carrying the burden of supporting those rights as long as they get the benefits of them.”
Since you ask, I’m from Norway.
Thank you, I was thinking you were from the US or the UK which are both god awful countries.
Norway has a significant wealth gap that is driving far right policies like immigration. Keep up the good fight and vote for policies to address this wealth gap before it is too late. Cheers!
Thanks! We definitely have major issues with the increasing wealth gap, I can only hope we’re able to deal with it sooner rather than later.
I’m doing my part! (Ref. comment below that wondered if I was a Starship Troopers citizen)