Who keeps fucking quoting this idiot and posting it?
I’m just reddit reposting. Can’t take that credit
You chose to repost it.
Leave the slop on the slop website. We don’t want it.
Well, you postet it.
CEOs quoted: 3
Labor leaders quoted: 0
CEO says a thing journalism!
Next up: pop artists opinion on climate issues and global politics
It annoys me to no end every single dumbass statement these idiot CEOs make is treated like news
As long as they understand those electricians and plumbers should be charging them 5-10x what they are charging now. If their AI can’t do it, it’s gone from blue collar to bespoke work.
Not to agree with him but… They already are and have been for a while?
He is desperately rhetorically flailing, trying to pitch the idea that temporary demand in construction of data centers = job creation.
Despite that the entire point of an AI data center is to automate away 100x to 100,000x as many jobs, permanently, as will actually exist for maybe 18 months, to build the thing.
Its a nakedly bad faith line of bullshit, literally insultingly stupid to anyone that’s taken a year of macro econ.
Even if you build the datacenters, … the amount of power needed for them would be roughly equivalent to building the entire electrical power infrastructure of Germany, and that would need to be done in 18 months.
Conpletely impossible, that’s like 10 years of the world’s current production rate of power transformers, in 18 months.
These guys would need a top down command economy and 5 year plans to do this, and they do not have that, so they’re basically just pretending they do. When it becomes evident that they were bullshitting, they’ll try to say ‘well thats how things should have been the whole time, with me in charge of everything!’
Delusional.
plus the trades will be saturated in the schools if they tried this and would depress wages.
I mean yeah, it would/could just be the inverse of what millenials/zoomers grew up with: ‘you have to
go to collegelearn a skilled trade if you want to have a decent living!’Hard to forecast precisely how strong the effect would be, but absolutely yeah, if a bunch of people flood into a specific category of labor… they will on aggregate depress their own wages.
… This is why the luddites smashed things.
Partially because the machines actually produced inferior output products, mostly because their proliferation caused mass unemployment/immiseration.
A society that wants to technologically progress must also socially progress, otherwise, you’re just building a tinder box.
While I sort of agree with you that that is his angle, service jobs that aren’t easily automatable will continue to climb in the “job stability and pay rate” category until the world figures out how to deal with Baumol’s Cost Disease:
What do you mean ‘deal with Baulmol’s cost disease’?
You mean general, broad inflation, right?
You’re worried that non-automatable low wages jobs will continue to be non-automatable low wage jobs, but slightly less low wage?
You’re worried that jobs tend to need to be done by people who can afford to be alive?
Assuming AI is really going to take these jobs full stop, something else needs to happen outside of people reschooling themselves for blue collar work.
I understand there might be a temporary uptick in required blue collar work as we prepare infrastructure to handle this bullshit but we definitely don’t need everybody that’s currently doing any kind of office work to be an pixie or pipe wrangler.
There are no AI safe jobs in this context. There are only jobs AI can’t do yet. But they aren’t safe. The remaining people will flood whatever job market is left if something doesn’t change and then people absolutely won’t be making a 100k with no degree. Besides, if AI is really going to take most of the white collar jobs it’s only a matter of time before those robots get good enough to take blue collar jobs too.
Also by telling everybody what to do (become a plumber or electrician in this case) you’re creating the same problem in the long term we have now with all the people that were told becoming a developer was the future and now find themselves with a crippling debt, meager income, and bleak prospects in the job market.
white collar CEO attempts to sway public opinion by appealing to blue collar workers sensibilities
We need more leather workers to make cool jackets.
What went wrong before that we didn’t need them? Why now, to build datacenters?
Does this idiot know what trades make? He’s trying to denigrate blue collar, but sparkies and plumbers make miiiint
Yeah, very rarely do tradespeople get rich, but most I know live very, very comfortably, don’t have insane hours or overtime, unless they provide emergency services, which usually pay insanely by the hour, have absolute job security. One of my son’s buddies is an Electrical engineer. He quit his job at a corpo, took the certification exam, and became an electrician. Makes way more that as an engineer, and has much higher QOL.
My brother-in-law did this and has become a locksmith. He has a great future ahead of him creating YouTube drama with lock companies.
Downside is your apprenticeship is having to eat insane amounts of shit
Not once some damn startup funded by people like this idiot start an app and through shady practices drive out all the independent tradesmen and make it a gig job.
they try, but all it means is that the shit workers end up blowing up houses and the good workers make some extra pocket money for christmas before fucking off back to their real employers.
Nah, that ain’t trying. When they actually try it’ll involve billions and billions of dollars in startup funding so that the companies can lose money for a good decade long enough to actually drive everyone else out of business. That there is amateur hour.
Might happen in the US. Won’t happen in any country where unions are functional.
Ain’t nobody safe from the horrors of capitalism. Ever. It can always be ripped away. If your instance is any indication you should know that better than any.
no shit dude. But a key part of that process is destroying unions, hence my proviso any country where unions are functional.
Tax billionaire and the one trillionaire to pay for trade schools to be free.
Fuck off, Jensen.
By his logic we wouldn’t need CEOs either, so silver lining?
Yeah but they make the rules
yeah no. one of the reasons plumbers or electricians generally do well is because their field isn’t saturated with plumbers and electricians. hundreds of thousands of each means salaries of said jobs will go down. thus nothing changes. Add to the fact both jobs A. require trade schooling and B. apprenticeships. Also they’re pretty much all unionized which you also have to get into. it would never fly, it could never fly unless you do away with trade schools, apprenticeships, and unions which leaves you with unqualified under paid plumbers and electricians.
This fucking leather jacket wearing mouth breather needs a strong reality check. preferably one that adds another hole to his head.
I wonder how long it will take for shareholders to experiment with replacing CEOs with agentic AIs. They’d certainly be good at spouting crap like Jensen is doing.
Point of a CEO is that there’s one public person for everyone to hate that can be given an even more hated golden parachute if shit goes down. You can’t do this with AI. Replacing AI with AI doesn’t have the same effect on people even if it has the same effect in reality
You don’t want to replace them as that has legal issues. But an AI being backseat driver and evaluating their decisions and check what the consequences would be to report that to investors is also very useful.
Don’t antropomorphize AI!
An AI doesn’t evaluate anything, an AI doesn’t check for consequences. All AI does is predicting the next word.
Do I take the car to the carwash or do i walk?
If it’s only 300m away, you should walk
Sure, now predict the future please *facepalm*
The carwash thing applies to low end models and older models. Here’s Claude from lowest to highest model, ignoring the banned Fable
They altered the training data to address this challenge. The underlying issue wasn’t solved in any way. Don’t be naive.
Takes months to train a model, there were already models that got it right when the question was popular, as long as thinking was enabled.
Also if they were optimising for this question, why not update their lower end model (Haiku) as well?
The interesting question would be what percent of humans get it wrong. Smaller than LLMs for sure, but I somehow doubt it’s 0.
Models aren’t retrained from zero. They can be fine tuned or they could even have added a routine to handle specific cases like this.
For example, Claude used to have a routine that would call external tools embedded in the app to parse structured data and transform it. Not sure about how it does it now.
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