Sure, I never said it doesn’t. Just that it is not a centerpiece of the culture. The fact that Americans have a big Thanksgiving dinner once a year isn’t comparable to the approach that the French/Italian/Greek/most Asian cultures have towards food on a daily basis
Well, at the risk of being pedantic, you literally said:
food is just nutrition
I understand now what you intended to communicate (which is strictly different than what you said)
I got excited when I read what you said, because i thought you actually had an example of a culture for whom food is just nutrition. It’s a sci-fi trope that i find interesting because it is truly alien, and I’ve always wondered if any real culture fit that.
Even in puritan cultures that intentionally eat plain food to shun “hedonism”, food becomes a vehicle for virtue signaling. The suffering is a ritual practice. Food, even then, plays a critical cultural role.
I understand what you mean now. I’m just disappointed.
Even in puritan cultures that intentionally eat plain food to shun “hedonism”, food becomes a vehicle for virtue signaling. The suffering is a ritual practice. Food, even then, plays a critical cultural role.
Yeah, but one can view that cultural tradition and conclude that their culture does not value the deliciousness of food as much as some other cultures.
I’m not sure if agree with your conclusion. You might conclude that they put great value on the deliciousness of thier food, but the relationship is inverse: less delicious = greater value.
People of of two cultures might both place high value on decorations, but one culture might view another’s style as tacky.
But you described it as “suffering.” The subjective experience of a person in that culture is that the food is less pleasant to consume.
In other words, the enjoyment of the food is actively discouraged, in favor of another criterion (the suffering that comes from eating it). So we can point out that the culture does not prioritize the enjoyment of food as much, and can stand by that particular metric as having directionality on that spectrum.
I think if one conceptualize “deliciousness” as a “property that induces joy” and “not deliciousness” as a “property that induces suffering” as being distinct measures, then it makes sense to conceptualize puritan values as saying they don’t value “deliciousness”.
If you conceptualize “deliciousness” as having a negative axis, then Puritains DO value deliciousness, but along the negative axis, which is irregular and noteworthy, but still valuing deliciousness.
Same goes for suffering vs enjoyment. If you consider them independent vs as it being one measure with negative values.
I’m considering them as the same but with a negative axis. I feel like that’s where the gap is. I think ultimately we’re in agreement.
It is for like 350 days a year yeah. Eating take out food in front of the TV/PC doesn’t count? There’s someone else sharing their experience of Brits just “eating” those liquid protein shakes every day, that seems pretty close too. Of course, cultures are not homogeneous, and you can find Italians that drink protein shakes and Norwegians that are really into cooking high-quality ingredients for others. I’m not sure if you were picturing a country where everyone eats pills or what
Sure, I never said it doesn’t. Just that it is not a centerpiece of the culture. The fact that Americans have a big Thanksgiving dinner once a year isn’t comparable to the approach that the French/Italian/Greek/most Asian cultures have towards food on a daily basis
Well, at the risk of being pedantic, you literally said:
I understand now what you intended to communicate (which is strictly different than what you said)
I got excited when I read what you said, because i thought you actually had an example of a culture for whom food is just nutrition. It’s a sci-fi trope that i find interesting because it is truly alien, and I’ve always wondered if any real culture fit that.
Even in puritan cultures that intentionally eat plain food to shun “hedonism”, food becomes a vehicle for virtue signaling. The suffering is a ritual practice. Food, even then, plays a critical cultural role.
I understand what you mean now. I’m just disappointed.
Yeah, but one can view that cultural tradition and conclude that their culture does not value the deliciousness of food as much as some other cultures.
I’m not sure if agree with your conclusion. You might conclude that they put great value on the deliciousness of thier food, but the relationship is inverse: less delicious = greater value.
People of of two cultures might both place high value on decorations, but one culture might view another’s style as tacky.
But you described it as “suffering.” The subjective experience of a person in that culture is that the food is less pleasant to consume.
In other words, the enjoyment of the food is actively discouraged, in favor of another criterion (the suffering that comes from eating it). So we can point out that the culture does not prioritize the enjoyment of food as much, and can stand by that particular metric as having directionality on that spectrum.
I think we agree in principle.
I think if one conceptualize “deliciousness” as a “property that induces joy” and “not deliciousness” as a “property that induces suffering” as being distinct measures, then it makes sense to conceptualize puritan values as saying they don’t value “deliciousness”.
If you conceptualize “deliciousness” as having a negative axis, then Puritains DO value deliciousness, but along the negative axis, which is irregular and noteworthy, but still valuing deliciousness.
Same goes for suffering vs enjoyment. If you consider them independent vs as it being one measure with negative values.
I’m considering them as the same but with a negative axis. I feel like that’s where the gap is. I think ultimately we’re in agreement.
It is for like 350 days a year yeah. Eating take out food in front of the TV/PC doesn’t count? There’s someone else sharing their experience of Brits just “eating” those liquid protein shakes every day, that seems pretty close too. Of course, cultures are not homogeneous, and you can find Italians that drink protein shakes and Norwegians that are really into cooking high-quality ingredients for others. I’m not sure if you were picturing a country where everyone eats pills or what
I was picturing a culture for whom food was strictly for nutrition.