Looks like I’m spoiled for choice. Temu has exactly the same for 11.29. Not that I’d be purchasing from either place; it’s just another example of Amazon’s enshittification.
This shit frustrates me to no end. These days I just look on Aliexpress first, just so I’m aware what the usual drop shipping item actually goes for.
It’s very annoying that platforms like Amazon tolerate this. Because it’s actively driving me away from them. I want to see good quality items, not the same Aliexpress shit priced ten times higher. But I can’t FIND the good stuff because the platform is literally full of garbage.
That’s what’s driving you away from Amazon?!!
Take a step back for a second. They’re complaining about Amazon, and your response is “that’s the wrong complaint”.
“You’re not complaining right! Why are to complaining that way, you should be complaining this way!”
Typical Linux user
Are these linux users in the room right now?
I use arch btw
Linux user here. I want to read dramatic complaints. Any kind, if it’s dramatic. Or write a boring one and I’ll move on. Starting a flame war for complaint style is boring. Better topics for flame wars exist.
Lol who is even talking about linux here?
People have no morals. Most people only care about the cheapest price, and after that getting the best item for the cheapest price
It’s also a question of availability. Looking at my last ten purchases, simply none of those were available locally here. We don’t HAVE a camera store here to buy things like lens caps. The stationary store where I went didn’t HAVE large elastic bands, only small ones. Nor did they have the specific Pentel gel pen that I use for work. The shoes I bought (US size 17) are not available, since stores don’t stock past size 13.
I did buy a laptop stand, so technically I could’ve bought say, a plastic box or some books locally to do the same thing. But the stand is nicer.
For me, it’s not about the price. I’d rather spend 10 for something great than 1 for something that sort of works. I am by no means cheap. But I do have specific needs and tastes that my local stores don’t cater to.
And hey, if they won’t sell me what I need, I’m not going to feel bad about buying it somewhere that will 🤷♂️
Local vs amazon are not the only 2 options. And let me be very clear. I am not simply saying “Buy local”. Conflating that with ethical shopping is wrong.
Well ‘buy local’ tends to be the solution most people offer when this particular discussions arises. But I agree that only solves some issues. Especially since local shops also get that stuff from the same sources.
I’m more of a ‘there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism’ kinda guy.
But frankly, I’ve got too much going on to worry about the ethics of where I’m sourcing pens and notepads. I’d rather focus on the big things.
Exactly my philosophy.
I try to buy in this order (time and money is of no concern):
Local shops -> domestic Online shops -> AliExpress (electronics) or Amazon (branded electronics like storage) -> Amazon (anything else).If it aint available for a decent price and I don’t need it, I won’t buy it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I deleted my Amazon account last month. No more Goodreads and IMDb is just another plus.
Extracted my ebooks from my Kindle with Calibre, so I am fine.
Feeling good and less targeted and bombarded.
Having really hard time converting Kindle books lately, especially since last time I tried this, the deDRM plugin couldn’t handle the newest Kindle for PC versions. Is there an easy way that doesn’t involve getting a physical Kindle device? Does the Android thing work?
I suppose the easiest way is installing an old kindle for PC version, if that’s the problem (not through the kindle website)
Cannot say. I had a very old Kindle and all my books on device.
Does that work for Google Play books? Is it an app?
Google Play Books allows publishers to set the DRM policy. Some titles are not protected and can be just downloaded as EPUB. For the DRMed books, it can send them to Adobe’s ebook reader/sync app, which (last I checked) can be decrypted by the Calibre deDRM plugin.
Calibre is a program for Windows/Linux. To be able to export books (and deDRM them) there are different plugins, but I never heard about one for Google Play Books.
Thank you.
It’s missing the random “Amazon’s Choice” badge on one of the 20 identical choices 🤣
More expensive AliExpress…
It feels like Amazon is flooded with dropshipping beyond repair.My co-worker & I have the exact same lunchbag, except the label has a different gibberish name on it. Yup, both from Amazon.
I will not defend Amazon. But the lack of local retail/price gouging which is shipping in Canada keeps pushing me to Amazon.
I need a role of 3D printable filament or an SD Card. The nearest store is 1-2 hours away and costs twice as much for the convenience, buying from the manufacturer may not possible and if it is shipping cost just as much as the product.
I would love it if there was competition, but there isn’t and Amazon knows it. So for the most part I just buy from brands I know are safe.
This is what people aren’t talking about enough. It may make people feel all good inside to not have Amazon and everything - until they are commuting for long periods, having to spend more than they budgeted for and shipping to not be available. Also, who loves it when you have to store-hop multiple places and still not find what you need?
It’s like I can’t rely on Walmart or even Best Buy to have what I’m looking for. They have their limits. I can’t rely on small businesses either because they probably won’t have whatever it is I need.
So, sorry, I’m going to keep shopping Amazon as sparingly as possible. Do I hear anyone who is Anti-Amazon prop up any stores for reasonable commute and pricing and available shipping for people and communities? No? Then shut up about your lectures that people don’t need Amazon and how they’re sheeple for continuing to buy from it. It is all about self-pride and virtue signaling.
I have a few local electronic shops.
It’s just that they dont have what I need or are way more expensive.It is almost impossible to buy RAM or a CPU in person outside of specialty shops.
SSDs or HDDs are only available in low capacity (<2TB) and/or low spec (M.2 Gen3).Nothing of use for an enthusiast.
The only worth they have to me are as a appliance seller (e.g. TVs, household appliance, general use audio equipment)I see you too have a waste of retail space known as Best Buy/Best Buy Mobile in your community.
MediaMarkt and Saturn (our largest electronics retailers) first merged then were bought up by JD.com (chinese retailer)
Any other shop is a small chain/one-man-army type of shop which usually don’t have what I need :/Recently discovered a decent camera shop by coincidence while traveling :) That was cool.
They are both physical and online. And they werent pushy about their products. Which is great!
The internet was so good in 08. You searched for stuff, found exactly what you needed, and were done.
Poor kids today will never know anything other than ad ridden bot corponet.
The internet was so good in 08. You searched for stuff, found exactly what you needed, and were done.
Shit was bad in 2008, too. The degree to which drop shippers had consolidated down to one mega-wholesaler rather than a dozen crappy fly-by-nights hadn’t happened yet. You got a dozen different flavors of crap rather than just one. But it was still crap.
Poor kids today will never know anything other than ad ridden bot corponet.
Under an Amazon keyword search, sure. You can still find good quality products outside of Amazon. You can even find it inside Amazon if you know what you’re looking for.
The difference between 2008 and 2025 is primarily that Amazon’s algorithmic tools have degraded to the state of Yahoo or Sears.
You think normal people today go outside the 5 walled garden corpo sites?
They dont.
They are terrified of an html website. I dont have tech friends irl, so trust me. The real internet, the original non corpo net, is only for ultra nerds now.
If you seriously think the internet is better now than 08 ish, well I dont agree.
If you seriously think the internet is better now than 08 ish, well I dont agree.
I think it’s heavily predicated on what you’re using the Internet for. In the business world, we’ve improved system redundancy, backup/recovery, and transfer speeds by leaps and bounds.
Back in 2008, I was in my car driving to Dallas to escape Hurricane Ike, with a trunk full of server hardware needed to keep our business running. Datacenter proliferation has fully eliminated the need to do anything like that again.
We have significantly more high speed broadband. We have superior wireless connectivity. HTML5 is much better than it’s predecessors. We’ve modernized APIs and broadly adopted JSON for transmission. The hardware is so much better, from phones to routers to raspberry pis for self-hosting.
I get you don’t like the current content of big Web 2.0 publishers. But you’re really missing the forest for a few big ugly trees
In 2008 you could do a web search and have relevant real results right on the first page. Maybe an ad or two.
Now it is effectively:
- AI summary
- ad
- ad
- ad
- link that is effectively an ad
- link to AI generated website
- link to AI generated website
- link to an actual decent result
- link to a questionable result
- link to AI generated website
You can change search provider and have the experience back ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I use DuckDuckGo and it is better in general, but still has a big pitfall with AI generated websites. I’ve used some others like SearXNG but those feel experimental at best. I’m willing to hear about viable alternatives.
Kagi is where it’s at. Changed my search experience for the better like crazy.
In 2008 you could do a web search and have relevant real results
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_bombing
Google had (mostly) solved this problem by 2007. I couldn’t name another search engine that could claim the same.
But the process of Spamdexing has been an ongoing war of the websites since the nineties. Google never fully solved it, they just did a better job than most up until the big executive shift in 2018.
The spam site takeover of your search results in the modern day is as much a consequence of modernization in Spamdexing as it is any search engine’s own failures. None of those AI content mill sites existed to index 20 years ago
I forget the exact proposed bill, it might have been SOPA (or something else threatening net neutrality), and it might have been around 2010. That made me think “they want to make the internet into cable TV”. And we’re pretty close to that being reality in a way.
- driven by AI-slop
(For real: all those products and descriptions/titles are so bad, it has to be AI-slop)
Almost everything on Amazon is cheap trash, and they promote the hell out of all that trash instead of products of any quality. I am also so sick of the click funnels where you search for a specific item and they just give you pages full of knockoff trash as search results even if you go to a specific brand store. It’s nonsense.
Why would they want to sell you a nice thing once when they can sell you a shit thing ten times?
I stayed away for a few years, ended up buying a fair bit more frequently when doing up the house just due to cost and delivery but the site does look exactly like any other slop store now. It looks like chinavasion or alibaba.
Man it’s fallen off a cliff. Many years ago I bought a knockoff Chinese messenger bag from Amazon. It’s fantastic, great materials, good quality zipper, it’s held up to daily use for years and looks even better than when I got it (leather developed a nice patina).
So, I needed another bag, went looking for the same brand as mine. No longer there, but there are 75 identical looking but weirdly named brands instead. I found one that looked as similar as I could to my old bag, and this one is an utter piece of shit. I mean, I’ll use it, it’s a duffle bag so not as much use as the messenger bag, but the difference is stark. Stiff, cheap cloth, leather sure, but probably harvested entirely from cow buttholes, zippers look brass, but one zip and the color wore off…
Everything, even purchased goods have enshittified. Everything looks cool but just absolutely sucks.
I wonder what enables this business model to survive? 🤔
People being afraid of AliExpress
A market of lemons
leather sure, but probably harvested entirely from cow buttholes
lmao
It’s worse than when eBay peaked.
Just in case anyone actually intends to buy one, buy european: https://blahol.com/
Lmfao 170€ for a bag. Are you people rich? If Europe can’t produce a good quality 50€ bag ethically, it doesn’t deserve my money either. It’s a fucking BAG
If it holds up longer, start by dividing it by each year you use it daily for.
Once break even, determine if it’s still too expensive .
Buy cheap, buy twice.
Buy decent, buy once (for longer time).No, no and no. Artificial tough fabrics and sewing methods are extremely affordable industrially in 2025. I will not pay 170€ for something that should cost, extremely generously, 50€.
You do realize that those things are affordable due to labor exploitation, right?
Give me numerical data for that. I can buy fucking 10 cent microcontrollers and program them at home because 200 years of industrial development have made it that there’s so little labor involved in their production, it’s a matter of economy of scale. Manufacture loads of cheap, resistant fabrics such as viscosa, manufacture loads of cheap, long-lasting messenger bags. But no, it has to be 100 different small-production models because we need 100 different varieties of messenger bags instead of reliable, affordable, mass-produced Eco-friendly options
May be.
Didnt know wages became affordable as well.This aint the US where you don’t pay for the social safety net :)
Also I’m not into sweatshop products if it can be avoided.This aint the US where you don’t pay for the social safety net
Fuck that. In my European country, 25% of young people endure unemployment and nobody can fucking afford housing, where are our safety nets in Spain? Our purchase power is worse than it was 25 years ago, and keeps worsening. Wages in Spain are extremely affordable, we get paid like utter shit, minimum wage is 1300€ a month.
Go and spend 170€ in a bag 150€ of which go to the capitalist owner of the company.
I mean, technically given the layout, that’s a working cycle messenger bag.
Care to explain? I don’t understand your comment, sorry
yeah I dropped a comma. that particular layout is less of an everyday bag and more of a working bike messenger bag. for that purpose it’s pretty fairly priced- my messenger bag for work was in the $500 range. there’s a pretty big distinction between a regular messenger bag and a bike messenger bag- one sits low and on the hip while bike mess bags are designed for documents and small parcels and they sit high and tight on the back to stay slim for lane splitting and traffic. of course, it’s not just a working messenger bag, it’s also good for cycle commuters and the likes, but they’re less comfortable in that configuration.
Randomly recommending a 600% increased price bag is crazy.
Difference is the quality.
The listed item may break after 10 months or is not comfortable.
Meanwhipe this holds up for >5 years and feels very good.You pay for actual wages, quality assurance and not being subject to cancerous dyes they use over there without preparing them.
I will never buy anything plastic on Amazon or AliExpress that will enter my body.
Thats the price of a good quality product produced in decent conditions by a small company in Europe. Maybe could be cheaper if it was facory produced, but not much of that going on anymore is there? Anything lower is either sweatshop, low quality material/work or not produced in Europe. I use this stuff and can highly recommend it. You can check my posting history if you think I go around promoting a random buisness.
A brush for cleaning around your sink
Amazon’s product search is intentionally bad
Why?
Two reasons:
It promotes excessively tagging products with keywords
and
It allows them to seamlessly sort their own promoted products in the top results and actually be considered
Sellers can also pay Amazon to get a higher listing in that shitfest of a result page. It’s all intentional.
Because they’re big enough to get away with it.
I imagine to keep users on the site longer
Do Amazon companies count in Scrabble?
If hoement wasn’t a word then now it is.
About to have a ho moment with my Business Messenger Bag. 💅
We are totally making hoement happen
Probably not but “zoomer” and “yeet” do!
This shit has literally always been the number one reason I avoid Amazon as much as possible, even back when they were pretty new. As soon as they started selling more than books, it’s been like this.
Same. Companies named 5 random characters that come and go as fast as the sun rises. and thousands of white label products. Amazon is a flea market of shit, hard to find what you need even with exact part numbers.
