I know places like Portugal and Spain are going through serious housing crunches right new and I know expats often exaggerate those problems. So where can an American flee oppression without just oppressing someone else?

For context: I’m a progressive lefty, thinking about long term relocation options cause the fash is getting pretty thick around here.

Edit: I know immigrants and expats (US or other) are not solely responsible overseas housing issues, but housing issues definitely exist across Portugal, Netherlands, etc. I don’t want to increase that burden and would feel shitty if my housing offer outbid 300 local applicants.

  • porcoesphino@mander.xyz
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    3 days ago

    I’m half expecting a lot of downvotes for this but…

    How do you decide you don’t have a migration problem? Agreed you need migration and agreed that a lot of people see migration as the cause of a lot of problems that have more dominant causes but I also think that it’s possible to see some of the increase in far right / anti-migrant rhetoric as a measure of the capacity for migration. By that measure, even if I disagree with those people’s views, there is a signal that migration is having an effect (just probably not as much as political groups looking for power). Anyway, I’ve spent a bit of time thinking about the increase in far right groups and it seems like perceived economic stress and perceived issues with migrants align pretty well. I’m kind of hoping to learn I’m actually wrong or a mechanism that’s likely to reverse these trends besides stints of nationalism

    • Goldholz @lemmy.blahaj.zone
      2·
      3 days ago

      Racists be racists. The problem is not imigration. The problem we are facing is out of control and too huge costs of living. The people voting faar right not holding those fascist, racist, conspiratory views, are afraid of their lively hood. Now should we kill the scape goat? No! That wont improve anything. The corperations need to be held accountable! The once causing this insane inhuman cost of living increase! Vonovia with their housings. Yes the state must step in and put restrictions on rent and electricity pricing.

      The boomers are afraid of change and not liking the reality of them becoming irrelavent. You wont convince a fascist that deporting all the willing workers will improve anything based on facts and statistic. How will a 1.6 million less in the household expenses of germany do anything? Its a drop on the hot stone.

      We need radical systemic change! However, racism, fascism, hate wont solve anything. The faar right gets voters threw just yelling easy solutions, widespread misinfo spread online helped by china, russia and USA and the failing of the old partys because they dont inovate/reform. And young people drift to the extrems because they dont see a future in the current system.

      Example AfD. They mean to tell, germany will massively gain from leaving the EU, destroying all worker rights and trade unions, massively lowering the taxes off the rich and by deporting anyone they dont like (as they said in the Potsdam meeting) weather born potato german or having not #FFFFF as skin colour Hex Code.

      Alone leaving the EU will create a economic depression seen like never before! In a few years the economy will have decreased by over ⅓ and unemployment rising astronomicly!

      • porcoesphino@mander.xyz
        2·
        3 days ago

        Yeah, I doubt leaving the EU would help most of the people supporting it:

        https://www.nber.org/papers/w34459

        This paper examines the impact of the UK’s decision to leave the European Union (Brexit) in 2016. Using almost a decade of data since the referendum, we combine simulations based on macro data with estimates derived from micro data collected through our Decision Maker Panel survey. These estimates suggest that by 2025, Brexit had reduced UK GDP by 6% to 8%, with the impact accumulating gradually over time. We estimate that investment was reduced by between 12% and 18%, employment by 3% to 4% and productivity by 3% to 4%. These large negative impacts reflect a combination of elevated uncertainty, reduced demand, diverted management time, and increased misallocation of resources from a protracted Brexit process. Comparing these with contemporary forecasts – providing a rare macro example to complement the burgeoning micro-literature of social science predictions – shows that these forecasts were accurate over a 5-year horizon, but they underestimated the impact over a decade.

        I just don’t think pointing at information like this convinces anyone in the group that more vocally swung right in the last ten years