I sometimes feel bad for bypassing all this, then I see the in video sponsors they all have. So now I run Sponsorblock…
tbf, their sponsors don’t know they’re being skipped.
Smarttubenext on nvidia shield
Revanced youtube on android phones
Ublockorigin on browsers
No more ads.
I’ve never had revanced last more than a week. Bad luck i suspect. Newpipe->greyjay->brave
Three seperate active dev teams fighting off the bastards.
I don’t want to use brave, but it’s never been down for me, so it’s weapon of last resort.
I am a bit worried that, with Google’s upcoming changes, they’ll be a walled garden within a year.
Unwatched for YouTube on Apple devices.
Also grayjay, new pipe on android
vacuum tube for smart TV.
There is so many project to just get rid of YouTube’s ads
Well i still pay for it for two reasons- no ads and music. I use YouTube music as the music service since it has more artista from my country as for example spotify. And ads free since I and my family love watching each specific videos and are subscribed to different creators. I could switch to Spotify for music but then getting all devices, mostly our tv with chrome cast a solid app that somehow blocks ads without any issues… I would do that. And what about the iOS devices? I don’t want alternative stores on my iOS infected devices just to get an alternative app running. Then again, I don’t want to have pihole being my single point of failure on the complete home network. But the pi hole thing is completely different story (and out if scope).
It will never be enough. Line must go up.
"YouTube said the hike will “allow us to continue to improve Premium and support the creators and artists you watch on YouTube.”
Bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit. They say that every single time they raise the prices. It’s the same dogshit excuse.
well, doubling the minimum watches to pay people blocking ad blockers harder and halfing the rates at which they’re getting paid does fit the text they gave
Yeah what a fucking joke. The one and only feature they’re selling (especially since they bailed on original content like 2 years after they started) is ad-free viewing. You need a price hike every 18 months to ensure the “don’t show this guy ads” line in my profile config stays set to True? Fuck off.
Honestly, the biggest selling point for me, and pretty much the entire reason I do have premium, is that they pay the creators you watch way more than a regular view. I guess the alternative would be to sign up to their patreons for a dollar.
Paid for Premium for ten years. Then, moved to a family plan since my brother offered and my wife had moved in with me; it saved me a little money and got her Premium. Then they did the thing they’re all doing where they said “you don’t live in the same house so you’re not a family” and I said, “there’s no way in fucking hell this household is paying $25+ for fucking YouTube, a thing we watch too much of anyway because it’s algorithmically mind-fucking us everyday,” and then we just let it lapse. We’ve got SmarTube on the Android TV for the occasional ad-free video, and it’s clunky enough that we don’t get sucked in, and I’ve got uBlockOrigin on my browser because obviously, and they’ve gone from getting some money out of me to never getting a penny again.
And the fucked up thing is that’s not across the board, for example I’ve been using family premium since it basically came out and my users are located all over the place. Two of which have never even been to my place, and live 4-6 hours away.
It’s shitty, because I wish everyone could have the experience I have had with it.
Not for me it’s not!
I really wish PeerTube would take off, or any other alternative.
I think PeerTube should be for hobby purposes. I mean, here’s where I am coming from. I am from a period of the internet, where you were not meant to be e-famous. I still at times, believe this. Look at what happened when the idea of the tiniest bit of fame and success people allow to get to their heads when they realize that they can just make videos and profit off of them.
Nebula.tv has been pretty good. I’m considering the lifetime subscription.
I wish PeerTube worked. For a while I tried just leaving in running on the theory that it might help out, but it didn’t seem to do anything. Not sure if I’m doing it wrong?
I’m running a private, unfederated node; it works. I watch TILVIDS whenever I can find something on there.
This is not an “if you build it, they will come” scenario,
There’s no monetization, so there are almost no content creators.
Creators generally don’t do it for free.
Good creators rely on income from the videos to produce higher-quality videos
Youtube: surfaces creators’ videos pays creators hosts the videos handles CDN
Peertube: The creator pays to host the video (largely against their ISP’s wishes) There’s no surfacing There’s no payments If you’re lucky peertube doesn’t need CDN.
Even if they go all patreon, they’re still not getting that extra cash, surfacing, and free hosting that youtube does.
We need some kind of FOSS Patreon and to have Peertube do some kind of partner/recommendation engine.
What did you want it to do?
Did you set up a node? Did you promote it & grow a user base? Federate?
I wanted it to not be dog slow, because every one I tried spent all its time buffering. I’m not really sure how the architecture of it works but it seemed to suggest some kind of p2p thing so thought that leaving the window open might seed it? But either it didn’t or just nobody was interested.
It never buffers for me, but I do have a full gig and super low latency
you are not seeding by just leaving the window open on any peertube page. you are only seeding the specific video you have opened, if you have opened one, and probably not the complete video just the last segments you still have cached. this p2p sharing is mostly for when a certain video gets popular, to help with peek load, and for live streams. if the video was buffering for a long time it’s probably because the server did not have enough upload bandwidth, and no other viewer had the video segments.
there is another load balancing system that peertube supports, they can clone videos fromneach other and help serving them: https://docs.joinpeertube.org/admin/following-instances#platforms-redundancy
don’t know why you got downvoted, this is 100% truth
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all its time buffering.
Could be a zillion reasons for this. Need an actual instance to debug
You can’t really monetize PeerTube though, so you’re never going to get full time creators there. Media distribution has always been a choke point. Always will be. Short of a non-profit foundation and a unionized creators guild joining forces to operate a decentralized subscription video platform, you’re never going to have a real alternative. I mean… there’s Nebula which is basically that, but who goes to Nebula, it’s full of lefties and educators and theatre people.
You can’t really monetize PeerTube
Lots of channels have a link to their Patreon or a tip jar; lots do live reads.
You can monetize PT with Patreon, but you can monetize YT with Patreon and get paid twice.
That’s why YT has 5 9’s of the creators.
Sure, but then you’re still bringing a for-profit company into the mix. PeerTube is your loss-leader and Patreon is your main platform.
Some channels use Ghost instead of Patreon, including one of my favorites Anders Puck
I’m with GreenBeard on this and was always saying that monetization is the biggest peertube problem. Patreon and such are not an ideal option, subscription is IMO. A subscription that would be distributed through authors fairly, but that’s not an easy task I suppose.
liberapay can do that already. but apparently they don’t have the necessary API for integration: https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/1586#issuecomment-459100710
Like I said, Nebula does it and it’s pretty good. Hard to get on as a creator unless you have a proven follower base elsewhere though. They’re still mainly using YouTube as a farm league.
Might be interesting to see Nebula set up a fund for PeerTube creators and start using that as a farm league, but I don’t know that they have the subscription revenue for that yet.
Even though it’s no longer tractable for the casual hobbyist (me) to run a node, Invidious is still usable thanks to absolutely heroic effort by the ~4 organizations still willing and able to invest the crazy infrastructure needed to prevent GOOG from blocking them.
So they, too, can enshittify your whole experience? Or are they somehow immune from capitalism??
Ah, it’s federated. Makes sense.
a certain instance can, but that won’t affect the network as a whole that much. you hop over to another instance and done. the developers also could, but it’s open source, it can be forked by dedicated server operators. It’s also developed by a nonprofit, so there’s not abig risk, and thry have a good track record.
It’s a federated network of open source servers, anybody can host it. So, I think we are pretty safe. For now.
I had been paying for YouTube Premium for about six years because I fell for the trap when I bought my S9 at launch. (in fairness, I do spend an extreme amount of time a year watching YouTube so at the time it did make cost-effective sense) They gave two years of YouTube premium as a benefit of getting it then I never cancelled. I finally canceled about five or six months ago because the price I had been paying originally was close to $10 a month. I had over the years jumped up to almost 18 a month and a little while I had survived ongoing on a student discount. But when the student discount plan jumped to almost $12 a month, I said screw this, cancelled and installed grayjay and tizentube/tizentube cobalt.
If I’m understanding you, Google got ~ $500 out of you over the course of 4-ish years? Say it ain’t so!
PEOPLE! Install Firefox, Waterfox, any *fox and install ublock origin on your mobile devices RIGHT NOW!! Is there some feature that you can’t use in a mobile browser that these apps do and I’m just too old to understand?
Any reason I should go for grayjay instead of Morphe? In context of youtube since I don’t use any other video streaming platform that Grayjay offers.
I have never used morphe so I couldn’t tell you, but I like how grayjay let’s me make playlists and download offline across multiple platforms while still allowing sign in, plus, I know a lot of people won’t like this, but I do like the ability that it still allows to give me personalized results, which is something that I noticed the other YouTube front ends don’t do without workarounds. it also gives me those personalized results across all platforms.
As much as I hate this, yt premium is probably one of my most used services of anything streaming. I suck at lot of bytes down from them so I guess at least I might be getting what I pay for?
getting what I pay for
GOOG and all its affiliated advertisers – essentially, every corporation on this planet – now knows not only all your browsing and watching habits, but also that you are a likely good return on investment for more mining, more fine-grained targeting, more scrutiny.
Sure but it’s the opportunism and greed that grates. They pay literally zero for the overwhelming majority of their content, and very little for the rest.
If you Writer-Produce-Star in a TV show that gets 2 million viewers on NBC or ABC, you’re well into the five figures per episode in individual take-home pay, maybe even six. YouTube on the other hand you might just about hit $10,000 for 2M views depending on niche, but they cover zero of your expenses. If you’ve got more than one person working on making that show, or you had any expenses attached to it, you’re pretty much screwed.
Google could VERY easily keep turning a profit on the old price, but shareholders demand infinite unending growth.
Hey I didn’t say I like this, just trying to pull a lemon out of the lemonade but it’s more like a mud ball out of a swamp.
The trick is to use family plan. I and bunch of friends made one, each pays around 4€.
EDIT: Just make sure you actually live in the same city.
I attempted this because it is a good deal, but unfortunately the rest of my household didn’t care that they got ads, and my mom was too much of a penny-pincher to get anyone in her household to want to do it.
This is my setup, and we are spread across 4 houses in 2 states. Never been an issue.
Nor will it, to be honest. I don’t see Google shooting themselves in the foot like that.
Netflix did something similar with the password crackdown a few years ago and while it worked out in their favor, I don’t foresee YouTube having the same results. YouTube isn’t really providing much of a service aside from removing ads, so chances are if they crack down on that, it’s not going to equate to people in other households buying a membership to continue it. It’s just going to be less income/revenue. YouTube would need to bet on at least two of the people running family plans are going to convert over to a YouTube premium account. Which I don’t think is a safe bet for the prime canadates that went out of their way to set up the family plan, because if they were going to do that they would have done it in the first plac
For sure. I’ve already contemplated switching to a different streaming service for music, but while I have YT premium I’ll keep using YT music, although they keep making that interface worse and worse. My YT consumption will just plummet to only a couple of channels, and I’ll just work through my backlog of the terabytes of media I have on my Plex server. Hell, might even go outside and see what that’s all about, but I don’t want to rush into anything.
My days of not giving YouTube money have certainly come to a middle
I paid for premium until I started getting ads out of nowhere. YouTube changed their policy to include ads in my previously ad-free package.
I cancelled and started using smartTube f-droid. It has sponsor block integrated. Auto-skips all ads, not just the ones injected by YouTube.
Do people really pay for this?
I accept that if I block adverts in add supported content that’s a problem. The creators get a cut of the money (way more than ads get them!) and accept most goes to Google because Youtube is hella expensive to run.
… if it gets ridiculously expensive then I will find somewhere else. I keep meaning to try Nebula…
I do. The benefits are worth it to me. It is my main source of video consumption.
Ads removed on iOS without having to do work around is great. Not throttling me for using an ad blocker on desktop is also nice. Contributions to content creators I watch. Access to YouTube music which I use in my car.
For me it’s worth.
Check out “Unwatched for YouTube” on iOS. It’s a bit janky, but it works. Certainly better than paying for premium.
uBlock Lite is now available as an extension for Safari. I’m not sure what the Lite is about and saw other people complain about it, but for the past month Youtube on iOS has been a lovely experience for me.
That requires using YouTube through the browser. I use the YouTube app. It’s a different dynamic.
I used to have YouTube Premium.
The main reason for paying for it was that I don’t like having to sit through ads. A nice benefit of Premium over ad-blockers was that a part of the revenue from YouTube premium goes to creators in lieu of advertising revenue. YouTube gets money for running the service, the creators get money for making videos, and I don’t have to watch ads.
I stopped my Premium subscription not because it was getting too expensive, but because YouTube is an American company. Ever since Trump got elected for a second time I have been progressively working on cutting out products and services by American tech giants from my life, and YouTube Premium was a very easy one to cut out.
These days I just use an ad-blocker. If the creators want revenue from my view, they can upload to a platform that isn’t YouTube.
Yes. But mostly because I know that my view pays the creators I watch orders of magnitude more that an ad based view
Being ad free is just a bonus I don’t really notice because I have ad blockers anyway
I’d rather give to creators directly than give Google a cut.
I just do both
Fair point, never considered the creator revenue. My regular channels I’m part of their Patreon, but they are channels I learn from, makers.
That’s just an additional thing for me. I spend around 100 bucks a month on patreon, but it’s just not possible to do that with all channels I watch
Oh, and nebula of course
I stopped paying however many years ago it was that they killed Play Music. YouTube Premium was just a benefit to a music service I felt was worth the money. Once they sucked all the humanity and soul out of Play Music and pushed YouTube Music on everyone, I bounced. Been using NewPipe on mobile, TubeArchivist and Jellyfin at home for videos I want to retain and watch on my TV or whatever.
I have kids and parents who watch a lot of YouTube and I don’t want them watching ads, nor do I want to deal with helping them avoid ads in more creative ways. And the (per-person) price of a family plan isn’t as bad as an individual plan.
paying to not watch ads, means you pay more and more to watch ads. the problem with ads, is people are paying to not watch them which enforced charging more.
it’s a cycle of abuse and you have Stockholm syndrome as a result. break free…
in theory: that’s correct
in practice: I’m not picking this battle (for now, at least)
I understand the whole thing. just be happy
I make a list of things to learn. Get a 30 day trial and download every single video related, then cancel.
I am on email #8 doing this.
I have to ask, how are you getting around Google’s identity verification system? The last couple times I tried to make a fake Google account, it’s wanted an actual phone number. Not a virtual number, an actual phone number. So I’m curious what you are doing.
I am not creating new accounts, just reusing ones I have had for years created before all these phone verification bullshit.
darn, okay, well thanks for the response lol
Only an email address? I have have no shit maybe 50 email addy’s for reddit for all my bans. I collect bans like its my job on that shit site.
They are getting crafty, I figured out the latest tracking and a lazy work around. Next will be a VM, I know that will make it easier.
i love you for doing this
Its an honest living trolling the shit out of that site. I only log on to fuck with them. Otherwise I’m logged out burning up their bandwidth w/ ad blockers.
NO REVENUE FOR YOU!
Wait until you hear about Libretube, pipepipe, newpipe or any other Youtube OS alternatives out there
Better yet with LibreTube you can remove shorts and download 1080p or higher
If you’re going to be paying for a music streaming service, you may as well go for YT premium as you get other things for barely any extra cost. Otherwise I don’t see the value.
I’m in the process of going local and replacing YT music though.
I pay 24 bucks a month for the family plan, as it’s my most used platform.
I get youtube music and no ads on YouTube, while sharing the benefits with 5 other family members. so, about 4 bucks I’m paying a month per person. I’m okay with the price
I do. Years ago it was just google family stuff. I share it with my parents and wife and sisters. We have a decent library of shared movies(we don’t buy those anymore) and we all use YouTube music. Ad free YouTube is a perk to it. If we cancel, we all lose it and I’m sure Google would not let us be a family scattered around the country.
Splitting the cost makes it worthwhile, we watch a good amount of YouTube and we enjoy our kids can also watch stuff on the tv ad free.
Plenty. I don’t imagine ads cover the huge cost of hosting video in this day and age, especially with all the adblockers running around ( saw an ad revenue number in a study a while ago, google supposedly makes between 100s-10000s dollars per person, depending on their “value” ).
I for one am grateful to all the paying subscribers - it means google will more readily tolerate my shiny freeloading adblocking ass.
I pay for YouTube Music and premium gets thrown in for free. Why? It’s mostly momentum.
I used Groove back when that was a thing, and when it folded I could migrate my playlists to YouTube so it was easy and than $10 a month. Now it’s $30 but it’s still like buying a cd a month. I am slowly de-googling and some month will stop using the service. It just hasn’t been a top priority.
If you did this, you’d have like 20 CD’s by the end of the year (way more id you can find used ones) that you completely own and no one can pull the license for later.
Ripping them is easy and allows you to play them anywhere, even without internet.
I can stream more than 20cds worth from a catalog far more expansive than anything I could dream to store. It’s simply worth the money for my usage. Moreover, I don’t want to store anything locally, physically or otherwise. I’m ok with the risk of them pulling licensing, because after over a decade and a half of usage it’s been an issue thats come up fewer than 5 times, and each time there was an alternative track/release available (i.e. part of a newer album or rerecorded).
I don’t disagree with you. But I have a lot of CDs already :) The rationale for me is that it’s all available. I watched a Billy Joel documentary recently (I know 🙄) but it made do a listen through his discography. I’m glad I didn’t buy those. It turns out I already knew the songs I liked and discovered 0 enjoyable deep cuts. But even at $15 a disc that would have been a $200 play through. And yes I’m aware of the high seas and the library.
While true, I don’t have to do any work at all right now to listen to as much music as I want and new music is available immediately. I also don’t have to setup something to be able to stream music remotely so that I don’t have to store all of it on my space limited device.
Ah so they bundle it in if you want it/use it that jives as they can bolster the “numbers” for a service no one is seeking out.
Now it’s $30 but it’s still like buying a cd a month.
it’s about twice as much as a mainstream cd at a brick-and-mortar or a random sampling of physical disc offerings at bandcamp.
But I don’t want random bandcamp samplings. I mean I like new music and go to a lot of Indy shows, but I want the ability to hear a song I like and then do a deep listen to the artist without committing to CDs or a trip to the library if it’s available.
Lots. That’s why the price is going up.
HAHA great point!
I use YouTube Music, and get Premium with it. Other people pay for Spotify, and don’t. Plus they also have to actually use Spotify instead, which is like a double negative.
YT has made the non subscriber experience for music so bad I wouldn’t consider it. Minimize the browser to check msgs and music stops, so dang annoying.
this… it’s a horrid experience without paying so why the hell would I ever pay… that and I know the price goes up with features being removed.
I’ll continue to subscribe to nothing
Yes. I’m lazy and watch a lot of YouTube. I cannot deal with ads.
That said, I have prime video through Amazon prime and it asks for, like, $4 per month to skip ads. I stopped watching prime video because of this.
And they wonder why torrents just won’t go away…
IPTV too.
Newpipe user for many years. Started to donate some small amount on a regular base. Totally worth it, still way cheaper than YT Premium and money doesn’t go to big tech.
PipePipe is a fork of Newpipe that has more features (such as SponsorBlock) and gets fixes faster whenever YouTube changes something.
Re vanced! For the win!
Aren’t we on morphe now?
I can’t argue with that
Beware having dislike button re-enabled. It’ll fuck up playback
Oh good too know. Recently, I uninstalled and reinstalled because it was locking up and saying playback issues.
