Not sure about grabbing that beer? You’re not alone. Americans are reaching for alcohol at record lows, according to a new Gallup survey.
The survey, out Aug. 20, found the number of Americans who say they drink alcohol sits at 54% for the second consecutive year − and health concerns appear to be a major factor.
“Fifty-one percent of U.S. adults now believe drinking one or two alcoholic beverages a day is bad for one’s health,” the survey results noted. “The figure is essentially unchanged from last year’s record-high 53%.”
In 2001, only 27% considered moderate drinking bad for one’s health, according to Gallup.
drinking 1 -2 beverages can or bottle a day it already significant raises your chances for diseases.
Any amount increases chances of disease.
I actually like to drink but especially beer can give me really bad stomach cramps. Not always, but often enough that I rarely risk it. Also my sleep quality is suffering after drinking and with age I no longer can afford bad sleep. Honestly I’m not sure how people after 30 manage to drink regularly. Even though I’m a fit and healthy person, alcohol just affects me too much to be a regular and enjoyable part of my life.
I get it can be “relaxing” in some ways, but having to recover from alcohol the day(s) after makes it a very inefficient way of relaxation.
Good. This is good.
I appreciate that more places have been providing mocktail options. I just wish they didn’t cost as much as real cocktails
Here in Europe wine and beer producers are starting to panic. Representatives are seriously arguing against WHO recommendations (some of them have been doing this since COVID) and the lobbies are very aggressively trying to go against any health promoting legislation that could go against them.
The bigger producers also start to release light or non alcoholic versions of their drinks to capture the growing non-alcoholic market segment.
Yes, it’s good, and we see the industry adapting and fighting for profits.
In Ireland, the in-store liquor section had an entire wall of every type of non-alcoholic wine and beer imaginable. Every pub had Guiness 0.0% on tap
My docs have all begrudgingly accepted that I value enjoying my life more than I value longevity. I’m sure it makes them sad. But I don’t see this world / humanity suddenly growing a conscience during my time on this planet, so if I shorten my life a bit, I really don’t care. If anything, people will likely get dumber and make me not care harder and faster.
The problem is not that you shorten your life by 5 years and are healthy up until death. It’s that the last 10 years of your life is spent with medical / hospital admissions because of the liver failure, heart disease, brain disease etc due to alcohol, smoking et cetera
Heh. Hospital?
I’m there too. Being in the Southeastern US with all these people who hate everyone who are not like them and who also want to destroy everything certainly has made me reprioritize my own survival. Also, generally all the war and greed. Our species is sick. I’ll drink if I want.
drinking here and there =/= enjoying life
*to you
I like a drink (obviously, as mod of the cocktail community) but would not consider one or two a day moderate, everyday drinking is heavy drinking, or at least habitual drinking.
Two or three a week is the way I drink. Sometimes one or none, and I take a month off at least once a year, never want to get into a habit.
I think these statistics have a bit of that going on with them. Now that weed is readily available in almost all of the US and people are more self aware due to their parent’s mistakes with handling alcohol, it would not surprise me if the statistics were not completely due to financial reasons.
since everyone’s just telling personal stories about their alcohol preferences, I’ll go ahead and mention that I’m currently on a sangria kick. I’ve been trying different brands but it intrigues me because sangria is supposed to be made with cheap, sweet wine. I’ve found the local winery makes some of the best sangria i can find in stores. Once I’ve tasted enough I may try my hand at making my own.
It surprises me that a lot people think drinking alcohol is synonymous with going out to reataurant and bars. I’m here to tell you that you can also drink at home especially when company comes over or when you are the company going over to someone elses home.
Hmmm, I may differ on the “sweet” wine, it is typically made with a dry one, sweetened with sugar and fruit. (If you are ever feeling lazy, try a Kalimotxo (cheap red wine and coke) or tinto de verano, red wine and lemon soday))
The best Sangria I ever made was this one. I don’t even like sangria but this was delicious.
Thanks, I may give that recipe a try.
This is unambiguously good. I hope the trend goes on!
From 1997 to 2023, at least 60% of Americans reported drinking alcohol. The figure fell to 62% in 2023 and to 58% in 2024, before reaching 54% today. Prior to the most recent poll, the rate has been under 60% fewer than 10 times, including 58% in the initial 1939 poll and a one-time low of 55% recorded in 1958.
“weird” that usatoday leaves all this important information out lol. “record lows” still means half the population are boozers and the number was never much higher.
How did it fall from 60 to 62…
It was 67% in 2022, so it fell to 62% in 2023. It was never below 60% between 1997 and 2023, but then hit 58% in 2024.
Yea reading that made my brain divide by zero
I’ll to drink to that!
I like wine with dinner, maybe a nice homemade cocktail on weekends. All this talk of prohibition makes me uneasy. Ban alcohol today, what will you ban tomorrow?
While i generally agree with your sentiment, I don’t think the U.S. is going to do much anytime soon since they just legalized home distilling. Also homebrewing alcohol is exceptionally easy.
if they ban jenkem I’ll have to find a real hobby
…i should probably make it clear that I’m anti-prohibition, I’m just being silly here
Wow, I haven’t been reminded of butt-hash in awhile
Cigarettes, vapes…
Books, movies
Books don’t harm your health and put a cost burden on society. Try reading one, it’s safe, trust me.
I don’t want a ban on alcohol but slippery slope is a logical fallacy. Address each ban on its own merits.
You’re confusing the slippery slope with making reasonable predictions. Every future prediction is not a slippery slope. Slippery slope is only a fallacy when you’re making wild baseless predictions, not entirely predictable and likely outcomes.
I was listening to Adam Connover’s recent podcast on alcohol. And they were talking about how we don’t even have major public health campaigns to reduce alcohol use. They mentioned how most attempts to do so are met by people by people citing neo-prohibition fears. They explicitly said it’s not a big deal, and that no one is talking about banning alcohol.
Yet this same discussion was based around arguing that we should apply the same efforts we currently use for tobacco to alcohol. Yet, we’ve actually seen efforts to explicitly ban tobacco in various countries. The current preferred approach is to ban it for anyone born after a certain year.
It’s not a logical fallacy at all to be seeing this as a move to banning alcohol. The modern discussions about increasing alcohol regulation are all in the context of the last generation’s public health efforts against smoking, and those efforts have culminated in attempts at banning tobacco entirely. A country writing a law that said, “no one born after 2010 will ever be allowed to purchase alcohol” is entirely in line with contemporary alcohol and tobacco regulatory efforts.
“Ban alcohol today, what will you ban tomorrow?”
This is slippery slope
I don’t follow your logic. Can you define the difference between recognizing a predictable outcome and making a slippery slope fallacy? Because you’re using them interchangeably.
Holy shit this isn’t hard
“In a slippery-slope argument, a course of action is rejected because the slippery slope advocate believes it will lead to a chain reaction resulting in an undesirable end or ends.”
You didn’t answer my prompt. Don’t just vomit wikipedia. In your own words, I want you to CLEARLY demonstrate that you know the difference between:
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Recognizing and mentioning a predictable outcome.
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A slippery slope fallacy.
Your response didn’t attempt to do this. I don’t want you to just vomit a definition you stole from somewhere. I want you to actually demonstrate you know the difference between these two things. Everything you’ve said so far shows that you don’t.
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Nice cherry picking, the next paragraph of the wiki says:
This type of argument is sometimes used as a form of fearmongering in which the probable consequences of a given action are exaggerated in an attempt to scare the audience.[citation needed] When the initial step is not demonstrably likely to result in the claimed effects, this is called the slippery-slope fallacy.
IT’S FUCKING EXPENSIVE AND LETTUCE MAKES YOU SHIT TO DEATH NOW.
As a recovering alcoholic, I don’t understand this “it’s expensive” talk in this thread. Are you talking about drinking at bars and restaurants? Because I can get blackout drunk for less than $10, I promise.
Proud of you for recovery. Shit ain’t easy.
To the point of the original comment, I think it’s less “what can I buy to get drunk” and more “what can I buy that I can enjoy?” Which (going from memory here so somebody correct me if I’m wrong) with the trends of the younger generations leaning towards nicer liquors, cocktails/mix drinks and craft beers, as those get pricier the overlap of enjoy and pay for is shrinking.
If you are in recovery, it won’t surprise you to hear that alcoholics are often narcissists - the type who may center the whole world’s experience on their own.
The vast majority of drinkers aren’t addicts though (or are at least very high functioning addicts). They aren’t going to be drinking the same grain alcohol or gas station vodka handles that you’d use as an expert to hit your goal quickly and efficiently.
The decline being discussed relates to the fact that you used to be able to go to a bar or your dinner at applebees and get a few beers or some mixed drinks, even a couple/few times a week, without blinking, for the average person.
If you are in recovery, it won’t surprise you to hear that alcoholics are often narcissists - the type who may center the whole world’s experience on their own.
Just what the guy needs to hear!
It’s all throughout the first few steps of the program. Tells you to stop thinking you control the world and admit to yourself that it’s all bigger than you.
When folks are in recovery, you don’t need to tip toe around them - That was actually a big part of the problem when they were drinking.
And if anyone objects to that, they might want to look into al-anon themselves.
Yeah, but this is Lemmy, it’s not the 12 steps program and I am not tiptoeing around them, nor should the “ban” on tiptoeing be seen as an encouragement to be confrontational.
And nobody was taking to you or adressing broader Lemmy… This was a response directly to that OTHER person where YOU then felt compelled to interject yourself (funny when the topic is narcissism)
And it’s not “encouragement to be confrontational”, it’s a lack of that barrier when direct talk is warranted.
compelled to interject yourself
I’m sorry, this is a public forum for discussion? Everyone can comment and is encouraged to do so. You seem to have forgotten that, since you treat your original response like a PM. A bit self-centred, no?
You bringing up narcissism in first stanza of your reply to the person talking about money not mattering that much is a bit of a non-sequitur. “When direct talk is warranted” reads to me like the tough-love BS people like to reference when they are being paternalistic.
Ah, well. At least they can’t tax the air.
Polluted areas will have cheaper rent and cleaner areas we will be priced out of. So many dystopian tropes about this and I truly believe it will come to pass.
Yet
If alcohol came out today, it would be illegal. It kills more people than all drugs combined. It’s terrible for you and 10% of drinkers account for 90% of all alcohol sales. I just wish I could stop.
Yes alcohol, sugar and automobiles are the big killers that we seem to just accept in an “oh well” kind of way. We came a long way on smoking so I’m optimistic about alcohol. “Record lows” doesn’t impress me as a phrase because I know how high the historic highs actually were 🤣
Eh, I think “sugar” is both a slippery word (it should definitely be “added sugar”) and refined fats, frying, processed meats, are just as high up there.
You can do it, dawg!! It’s not something that can be done easily, but it can be done.
Why dont you stop drinking yourself and not outsource your decisions about your body to a brutal police state?
I am not tirelessly working to ensure you must be forced to drink every day, why would you do the opposite to me?
I believe in you.
I stopped drinking and it has been very worth the effort. It’s hard, but I believe in you
Word. My Friday evening beer math:
I always try to stick to one beer. These days I manage to not exceed a couple.
You can stop. I won’t give unsolicited advice, but dm me if you want to talk about it
Hollywood needs to stop using it in every fucking scene. Two characters cannot have a conversation with beers to scotch, no cop comes home without cracking open a beer.
nearly every English show I have watched (not may but still) has women drinking wine
I’ve noticed that recently too. I watched “Life in Pieces” recently and it’s like every other scene this family is drinking.
It’s everywhere. Latest season of Reacher has at least 5 scenes per episode of people drinking.
Someone dies, drink, someone is sad, drink, someone is happy, drink, someone is nervous, drink, two characters developing a relationship, drink. Hollywood writers have no other mechanism to convey emotions.
Two wealthy people cant have a conversation without pouring from a crystal decanter of scotch…CEO offices have a full bar and people drink all day. Even superheroes are drunks now.
And of course, every male over 50 is burned out alcoholic in TV and movies. What would happen if alcohol was not allowed on screen like cigarettes?
I only started this season of reacher, but that’s ironic given that in the books reacher has no interest in drinking and only ever would buy a beer to be polite or get information out of a bartender and even then he doesn’t really drink the beer
But in the TV show, a character cannot explain something to Reacher without going to a bar and drinking at 9am. It doesnt even make sense.
It isn’t easy at first, but the pivotal moment is merely wanting to stop. You may not believe it yourself, addiction has this way of convincing you that you can’t, but it gets easier with time.
It’s been three years or so, but my life has turned around so much it’s astounding. Highly recommend believing in yourself, and pushing through the tough days.
Stay kind to yourself friend
Keep wanting to quit, I think that’s the most important thing, keep the desire to quit alive. Especially when you stop. I’d put money on you pulling through brother!
I’ve met a lot of wonderful people through this organization that has helped me immensely:
Thank you for this. I plan to share it with people in my community who want to quit, but are struggling.
I tried SMART meetings. I felt as if the people there had significantly worse trauma and alcoholism than me and it made me feel like since I wasn’t as bad as them that I should still be able to keep drinking. When I have stopped drinking in the past, focusing on what’s wrong with me doesn’t help me focus on the positives and moving forward. Everyone is different though.
I initially got a similar feeling at meetings that others had it significantly worse, but that just made me feel better that I was getting some help before reaching that point. Nobody ever makes me feel that I didn’t belong, though. The journey really is different for everyone.
I prefer SMART to guilt-based programs like AA since it focuses more on progress with a basis in science.
Alcohol never had any sort of attraction to me thankfully. I don’t really like having an altered mental state in the first place, and I never found a beer that I liked until I was 23. I’m 45 now and I’ve been drunk 3 times in my life and each time I was just wishing the effect would wear off. But I do have addictions, just other sorts of things. Wish you luck and strength in your journey.
They don’t care if you live or die. They care about if their rich buddies are still getting your money.
Try GLP-1s or ketamine treatment
Shrooms can also be highly effective
Always wanted to try and didn’t get an opportunity until a few weeks back. I didn’t stop totally, I still have a beer for meals that call for it, but I pretty effortlessly vastly reduced my drinking. Like, even the standard here in my part of Europe, what Americans call “tall boys”, is a little too much at once, I can only do a short can. Being drunk just does not feel good afterward to me. That wasn’t planned, so I don’t think it’s placebo, just kind of happened.
Maybe I will
Joke solution: Convert to Islam.
Serious solution: I have no idea.
Outsourcing the choices you make about your body to a religion?
I’d rather become a Buddhist and change my perspective which will eventually help me.
You can stop right now.
Edit: You guys are right. It’s better to resign yourself to doom and give up. I guess my case was miraculous. Self control wasn’t a factor. No one has ever quit drinking successfully.
That’s not how dependency works. Depending on how bad the addiction is, alcohol withdrawal can be deadly.
I dunno… I used to drink pretty heavily (several drinks per night) and then cut back to less than one drink per month. Never felt a single ill effect.
I understand that’s anecdotal, and I’m sure some people do have dts and withdrawal, but I doubt every person who quits drinking will suffer severe side effects, just like I don’t believe anyone has ever hallucinated pink elephants from drinking too much.
I dunno
That’s right. I’ve seen people dead from alcohol withdrawal. So I do know.
Your very first sentence is very correct. “I dunno…” Yeah. You don’t. You followed it up with a bunch of “I, me, my” and can’t understand that someone may have a different issue than you.
I don’t drink daily. I’m a binge drinker. I convince myself that it will only be a few this weekend and go on a bender every time. I can’t stop lying to myself. I keep telling myself I’ll quit next weekend and do it all over again. Cut back? I cut back every week.
We are the same.
I did 11 months last year and thought I could “reintroduce”. It was good at first, I still kept my Fri Sat rule but then it crept and as I watched my weight loss regain and my control loosen it wasn’t so good.
Now I’m just trying to avoid going back to my lowest which is like major blackouts and no sleep. Puking.
Unfortunately it will probably get worse before it gets better. I wasn’t even a heavy drinker, but when I started seeing shadows jumping and little flicks of light out of the corner of my eyes, that’s when I called it quits. Turns out that’s a symptom of alcohol withdrawal.
You’re an idiot spreading an admitted anecdote. Use your phone and look it up before you spread your ignorance to other people.
Alcohol and benzo withdrawal can be incredibly dangerous and medical professionals should be consulted whenever possible.
Booze, Benzos, and Barbituates: the three deadly “B”s, merely cessation from which can kill.
If people are getting medical advice from lemmy they have bigger problems. And at least I called it out as anecdotal. Go rage somewhere else.
several drinks per night
that’s not much for a garden variety alcoholic.
I did the same thing. Cold turkey quit after 15+ years of drinking. Going on 4 years sober now.
That’s awesome. I’ll get there soon, I hope.
You don’t know how much they’re drinking. At a certain intake level, suddenly stopping can kill you. So just telling them “you can stop right now” is misleading and dangerous.
The other horrible thing about alcohol compared to most other drugs is that quitting when addicted can kill you. In many cases special care is needed to ween, which is kinda a thing alcoholism doesn’t facilitate.
As far as I’m aware, the only other drug class aside from alcohol, whose withdrawals can kill you are benzodiazepines.
I was in rehab once with someone who had a terrible Xanax addiction. They had to wean him off, and he still had psychotic episodes where he would hallucinate some very bizarre things accompanied by these terrible panic attacks while they weaned him off, not to mention the seizures he would have.
They eventually stopped, but the first few weeks he was there were an absolute nightmare for him.
Yup, people always talk about opiate withdrawals, and they are awful, but they don’t usually kill you directly. It’ll make you want to die, and that sometimes does people in, but in terms of directly killing you not so much. Alcohol and benzos absolutely will.
Hospitals stock beer cans because dealing with withdrawl is too difficult with other health issues.
if you are a heavy alcoholic.
My sister was a very light alcoholic under 100 pounds – that makes it even worse believe it or not.
i think weight/fat ratio has to do with alochol toxicity, your fat absorbs more. your sister being light feels the effect more easily. or if you have a deficiency in the alcohol dehydrogenase.
This is true. A medical hospital can assist but it will be straight drugs and monitoring. You’ll sit in a room with a TV and whatever books or electronic devices you bring with you. Outpatient support? Maybe. Probably not.
A mental health hospital will monitor you and provide the drugs to keep you out of danger. Little room time. No electronic devices. Group therapy. Exploration of why you’re drinking with some Coping Skills 101 training. Discharge plan to include outpatient support.
That special care seems to be ativan, in my area. It’s not replacing the poison, it’s calming the neurological side - effects of detox.
Ativan is one step removed from a lobotomy in terms of damaging a patient to make them more manageable.
Everyone is aware there are steps they can take to get free of whatever substance they are dependent on. If it were as simple as that, addiction wouldn’t be the scourge that it is.
You think if I could, that I just wouldn’t? No. I have been trying for years and can’t. I may not get withdrawal symptoms, but the societal pressures and habits drive me back to it.
Only reason I still use Reddit is because of R/stopdrinking… my virtual little AA meeting whenever I want/need it.
I was a daily drinker for 10 years, and the last few were… well if I kept it to a fifth of cheap canadian whisky a day, I was “doing well.” 🙄 , I didn’t do well most days.
Anyway, I was sittin on the couch one day, thinking about string theory. about how our decisions create little offshoots of different realities, and I thought about the string where I kept drinking, and where it
mightwould lead.Went into the kitchen, poured out the handle I had in the freezer. I remember looking into the sky… it was so blue.
From then on I only used weed and shrooms. Shrooms for figuring out big stuff, going through traumatic shit from my past. Weed sometimes did that too. Have you heard of EMDR? it’s where you just sit and follow a light bouncing from side to side. Well I’d get real high, sit on my Marcy recumbent stationary bike, and play Mariokart on my old Nintendo 64. And shit, I swear that acted as a perfect EMDR machine. I’d be on there dissociating, thinking about shit, making major breakthroughs.
Anyway, this year I finally found the courage to face the trauma from my past, confronting my past abuser, then confronting my parents that ignored it… and you know what? went from smoking weed almost everyday to… not. Like at all. I just don’t feel the need anymore. It’s crazy. My life isn’t perfect, but it’s so much better it’s nuts.
I dunno. just my own story. Hope you get there someday, brother. I promise it’s worth it.
I wish you the absolute best moving forwards.
That’s not how addiction works.
I just had a few beers while watching the YouTubes.
My first beer in three or four months easy. Sometimes I get a hankering.
If you find it hard to reduce, check out the Sinclair method to cut down or quit over time, with a medication an hour before a drink. Understand the chemistry of our brains and how to use for good. Lots of NA options now too that can help but watch out for replacement drinks with added sugars that hurt the liver too. Look up which treatment options work best based on the data and which might work for you.
If you want to join a group, look for ones that use researched-based what helps people with addictions the most and avoid conditional belonging with forced words/thought. Look for groups and people in life that use Sagan’s baloney detection kit to analyze problems and possible solutions based on verifiable data, not supernatural threats or promises of rewards later for suffering now, which high-control systems use to hijack the brain.
I had to make a choice about 5 or 6 years ago, keep drinking and die, or stop drinking and live.
Trump had just been voted out.
I wish I hadn’t quit.
No, you made the right move.
