“I’m saying it right now,” Homan said. “There’s still going to be more bloodshed unless they shut their mouth and let ICE enforce the laws that they enacted.”

DHS has acknowledged that neither of the men who have been shot in recent weeks was the target of the ICE operations that led to their deaths.

A witness reported that Guerrero shouted, “I tried to stop” after being shot by an agent while his vehicle moved forward slowly.

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    Turns out the bloodshed also continues if we say/do nothing about it too, so we may as well say/do something about it anyway.

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      You want to hold us accountable? We’re going to murder even harder.

      Now that’s what I call a bold strategy.

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        I know you were calling on the meme and this isn’t against you, but I have to say it’s anything BUT bold. It’s a coward’s strategy.

        “More wrong and harder” is the weak way out of having a critical light shone on one’s choices. To most of us it’s no big deal, but to these guys – who know far better than we do the truth of what they are doing – it’s ego death and frightening as hell.

        Is it easier to stand up and take responsibility for all the evil you have done, or to pull a bit of metal on the gun you’re holding a fraction of an inch, in order to kill an unarmed person trying desperately to go on living when you confront them with your own will and means to murder them, knowing that afterward your fellow ICE sociopaths will high-five you like it’s something to be proud of?

        For those of us with working consciences, that question only gets answered one way.

        For the rest, that’s a personal profile of every single serving member of ICE. They already know they’re not “defending” jack shit and that immigrants are no danger at all. If they were, ICE would not be shooting at them, because ICE goons regularly run from conflict, as Tom Homan is demonstrating right now, and as they all prove when people whip out cameras and start shouting loud enough.

        These sociopaths RUN from accountability. They signed up for the opportunity to get paid to play The Most Dangerous Game all day every day, they’re glad to do it, and the ones who have any shred of conscience/humanity left in themselves are being eaten alive by it, as they should be.

        And Tom Homan is upset that people who do have working consciences are calling bullshit on the whole thing. He’s so scared of real accountability that he has equated words with physical danger, lol.

        That’s not bold. That’s weakness. A fucking snowflake in a skin suit who could never personally bear even a fraction of the suffering he readily metes out to others.

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          Probably pretty well, lol. Americans have demonstrated that they are willing to put up with this shit

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            I keep seeing this take, but it’s hardly uniquely american though. Human societies will put up with a lot as long it means they don’t have to leave their comfort zone.

            It’s why the chinese put up with their party dictatorship, they live in relative comfort. We might see more resistance coming from russian society now because they are starting to feel the consequences of the dictatorships actions.

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              Most Chinese people have seen their standards of living improve over their lifetimes. I doubt we can say the same for Americans.

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    Trump’s pardons are not global. They can still be extradited for murdering one of their citizens.

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    Openly admitting to being killers, not allowing free speech, telling to “shut their mouth”, down hard in the polls, and doubling down with threats of rigging the elections.

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    Here’s the neat part, the murders will continue either way.

    Why should anybody shut up?

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    “let ICE enforce the laws that they enacted”

    I don’t recall anyone enacting a law that said “round up brown people in concentration camps and kill protesters”

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            Might want to check the voting record on ICE establishment, support and funding there sport.

            Right up until well into the 2020s they were a bipartisan effort.

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              This reminds me of the “you know, the southern states who supported slavery were all democrats” rhetoric.

              ICE before 2024 was a completely different agency. Trying to argue that the democratic party is somehow to blame for Trump’s executive orders, the construction/creation of concentration camps over the last year, and mass hiring of a bunch of untrained white nationalists is an absolutely insane take.

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                  And Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, and Strom Thurmond was a Democrat, and Stalin was a seminary student! Before becoming an exiled Social Democrat! Oooooh!

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      Joe Biden spent a record amount on ICE camps while the threat of fascism was obviously clear.

      Obama not only discovered Homan, but awarded him with a medal when Homan devised a plan to separate migrant children from their parents at detention centers.

      Every single dem senator voted to confirm Marco Rubio, who has obviously been one of the biggest champions of "immigration enforcement.

      They’re not entirely wrong when they say the Democrats gave them a mandate.

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        I mean we have to acknolwedge that Rubio and Homan did not act back then the way they do now. A Christian Nationalist (Nat-C) movement electing a fascist president has a way of bringing the latent bigot out of people that may have been decent at suppressing it in the past.

        People across this nation have been experiencing that on a personal level with their family/friends for the last decade.

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        So is it just required to blame democrats for everything republicans do on your instance? You all never seem to miss an opportunity to criticize and blame Dems. Never mention republicans though. Fishy, that.

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          Why do y’all get so bruised when extremely valid critiques are leveled against the democrats?

          blame democrats for everything republicans do

          Uh, Joe Biden was not a republican. Neither was Obama. And it should be clear the Democrat senators are also not Republicans…

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            Nobody mentioned either party till you chimed in to bullshit that it’s all the Dems faults. Now this is where you call me blue maga or a zionist or some other dumb fucking out of pocket nonsense and call in the ml brigade and sockpuppets too boost your comment and downvote disagreement. Looks like you already got started on part of that.

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          Honestly? We don’t think Republicans can do any better, so we don’t try to change them. They chose their side a long time ago. They are the enemy.

          Democrats, we know you, we know that you can do better because sometimes you do. You share our values. Even if your political leaders are captured by capitalist interests, you cheer when they do the right thing. So it is very frustrating to us to see you choose wrong.

          It’s like being an Australian in the time of Trump. We are seriously worried and horrified about what’s going on in the USA, because you are literally our ally.

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    Man I hope that monster winds up in Leavenworth, or stood up in front of a firing squad, once adults take charge of things.

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      Holding people ACCOUNTABLE for Murdering Americans would be POLITICAL therefore we must FORGIVE and FORGET and Hope it doesn’t Happen AS BAD next Time!

      -LITERALLY The Democrats!

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      Democrats make Wilhelm II seem like a strong leader. They’d rather us end up in concentration camps than hold republicans accountable

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    Welcome to the new reality. The United States is a fascist country. It will be a fascist country for the foreseeable future. Face it and prepare.

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      Exactly as the great orange turd said it would be. The one single thing he has said that has been 100℅ true.

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      He says it with enough ambiguity to claim later that what he meant was: allow ICE to do our job or the nasty immigrants and anti-fascists will cause bloodshed. But of course it’s his people causing the bloodshed, not the people they’re attacking.

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    This guy is a criminal no different than some loose nutcase murderer who kills people at random to vent his frustration. He needs to be kept in solitary confinement for life.

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      Turns out all the loud card carrying 2A enthusiasts are coward bitches who were just waiting for some fascist dick to suck.

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      Yep. Sure would be nice if the non-fascist party hadn’t didn’t decades convincing their supporters that guns are evil and disarming themselves.

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        Sure would be nice if all the “we need guns to protect our freedoms from tyranny” people hadn’t joined ICE to enforce tyranny at the first opportunity.

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          All of this can be true. I’m exceedingly pissed at how the vocal anti-fed 2A crowd was talking all tough, and now they’re licking the heels of the feds as those agencies literally carry out all the conspiracies we were supposed to need that 2A for.

          If Tyranny == Law:
          Rebellion = Duty
          

          ???

          Something like that?

          Ugh. What a bunch of cowards.

          Edit: I’m not even advocating violence. Where’s all the peaceful open-carrying protests? That’d at least be a start towards a polite society.

          Thugs in unmarked vans with masks would be a lot more hesitant to beat on civilians with 50 legally carried rifles in the vicinity. Jussayin.

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            The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

            Thomas Jefferson

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              100%

              The only way I logically see this going wrong is if some militant MAGAs show up and start trying to stoke a fight.

              It’d be pretty funny though, watching FOX hosts cover such a thing. They’d start screeching, hopping, and shit-flinging while looping the same 5-second footage for a week straight if the “wrong people” were exercising those rights.

              [Shaky iPhone footage of people with shouldered rifles peacefully casting ballots]

              “Oh noh aw deez anteefah pwotestas wif gunz a domethik teewowisth! Pedo wapisth leedah pwz kill, dey vote rawng ;_;.”

              Although, forcing the NRA to get somewhere between “Mighty uncomfortable” and “Brain bleed” having to choose between licking fascist boots vs. protecting the second amendment, would be freaking hilarious. 😂

              “Shall not be infringed, dickheads.”

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        You can get one now and you should, everyone should, that much is clear now to everyone.

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          I have over 50 guns. Collecting firearms was a hobby for a while.

          I haven’t bought one in years, but I used to get like 1 a month.

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        Some of us are quite well armed. There’s a saying: if you go far enough left, you get your guns back. There’s lots of gun clubs, all across the country, that are left wing. See Pink Pistols and the John Brown Gun Club.

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        Nah. That never happened.

        They simply advocated for stricter background checks and a ban on the type of firearms expressly designed to kill as many people (children) as quickly as possible.

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          They pushed for banning cosmetic features like carry handles and vertical grips.

          They’ve spent decades preventing supressors from being removed from the NFA, causing hundreds of thousands to suffer hearing damage because they think a silencer makes a gun quiet when it really brings the volume down to jackhammer-level that won’t instantly damage a hunter’s hearing from a single shot.

          They effectively stopped the progress on gun safety by creating laws in several states that mandate that once a single smart safety pistol become commercially available that all other guns be outlawed. That lead to the manufacturers refusing to develop the tech for 25 years until the laws were repealed.

          California passed a law prohibiting the sale of any new model of handguns that didn’t have a microstamping technology thay doesn’t exist, resulting in companies like Taurus continuing to manufacture older guns with known safety issues because the newer, safer models were illegal for sale in California.

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      No. It’s for the government to conscript citizens to murder tax cheats.

      See Shay’s Rebellion and The Whisky Rebellion.

      2A is for chumps.

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        You know what, let’s just go to the source:

        A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

        One whole sentence.

        Which is why there’s an entire field of U.S. law called constitutional law, and why the Supreme Court’s primary role is to decide constitutional questions.

        That also means we can infer the Constitution doesn’t specify every type of weapon people should be allowed to own. For example, it obviously doesn’t say that citizens should be able to possess intercontinental ballistic missiles.

        What it does mention is “a well-regulated militia.” I think that’s the more important part of the Second Amendment, even though most people focus almost exclusively on “the right to keep and bear arms.”

        A free state can, technically, maintain its own military. That context is often overlooked in modern discussions of the amendment.

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          I feel the same. I’ve tried that angle with gun nuts before. They focus on ‘militia’ and infer that since the founders understood ‘militia’ to mean any able-bodied (white, free, man) that would answer the call to defend the territory, that same must hold true today. They also take “well regulated” to mean ‘hunter’s safety’, ‘handgun registration’, ‘serial numbers’, and ‘hunting licenses’.

          The mental gymnastics put Thomas and the other Reich members on the SC to shame. (not really)

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      Cool, come watch my special needs son while I go guillotining? I’ll bring my rifle.