“I’m saying it right now,” Homan said. “There’s still going to be more bloodshed unless they shut their mouth and let ICE enforce the laws that they enacted.”

DHS has acknowledged that neither of the men who have been shot in recent weeks was the target of the ICE operations that led to their deaths.

A witness reported that Guerrero shouted, “I tried to stop” after being shot by an agent while his vehicle moved forward slowly.

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      Turns out all the loud card carrying 2A enthusiasts are coward bitches who were just waiting for some fascist dick to suck.

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      Yep. Sure would be nice if the non-fascist party hadn’t didn’t decades convincing their supporters that guns are evil and disarming themselves.

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        Sure would be nice if all the “we need guns to protect our freedoms from tyranny” people hadn’t joined ICE to enforce tyranny at the first opportunity.

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          All of this can be true. I’m exceedingly pissed at how the vocal anti-fed 2A crowd was talking all tough, and now they’re licking the heels of the feds as those agencies literally carry out all the conspiracies we were supposed to need that 2A for.

          If Tyranny == Law:
          Rebellion = Duty
          

          ???

          Something like that?

          Ugh. What a bunch of cowards.

          Edit: I’m not even advocating violence. Where’s all the peaceful open-carrying protests? That’d at least be a start towards a polite society.

          Thugs in unmarked vans with masks would be a lot more hesitant to beat on civilians with 50 legally carried rifles in the vicinity. Jussayin.

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            The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

            Thomas Jefferson

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              100%

              The only way I logically see this going wrong is if some militant MAGAs show up and start trying to stoke a fight.

              It’d be pretty funny though, watching FOX hosts cover such a thing. They’d start screeching, hopping, and shit-flinging while looping the same 5-second footage for a week straight if the “wrong people” were exercising those rights.

              [Shaky iPhone footage of people with shouldered rifles peacefully casting ballots]

              “Oh noh aw deez anteefah pwotestas wif gunz a domethik teewowisth! Pedo wapisth leedah pwz kill, dey vote rawng ;_;.”

              Although, forcing the NRA to get somewhere between “Mighty uncomfortable” and “Brain bleed” having to choose between licking fascist boots vs. protecting the second amendment, would be freaking hilarious. 😂

              “Shall not be infringed, dickheads.”

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        You can get one now and you should, everyone should, that much is clear now to everyone.

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          I have over 50 guns. Collecting firearms was a hobby for a while.

          I haven’t bought one in years, but I used to get like 1 a month.

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        Some of us are quite well armed. There’s a saying: if you go far enough left, you get your guns back. There’s lots of gun clubs, all across the country, that are left wing. See Pink Pistols and the John Brown Gun Club.

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        Nah. That never happened.

        They simply advocated for stricter background checks and a ban on the type of firearms expressly designed to kill as many people (children) as quickly as possible.

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          They pushed for banning cosmetic features like carry handles and vertical grips.

          They’ve spent decades preventing supressors from being removed from the NFA, causing hundreds of thousands to suffer hearing damage because they think a silencer makes a gun quiet when it really brings the volume down to jackhammer-level that won’t instantly damage a hunter’s hearing from a single shot.

          They effectively stopped the progress on gun safety by creating laws in several states that mandate that once a single smart safety pistol become commercially available that all other guns be outlawed. That lead to the manufacturers refusing to develop the tech for 25 years until the laws were repealed.

          California passed a law prohibiting the sale of any new model of handguns that didn’t have a microstamping technology thay doesn’t exist, resulting in companies like Taurus continuing to manufacture older guns with known safety issues because the newer, safer models were illegal for sale in California.

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      No. It’s for the government to conscript citizens to murder tax cheats.

      See Shay’s Rebellion and The Whisky Rebellion.

      2A is for chumps.

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        You know what, let’s just go to the source:

        A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

        One whole sentence.

        Which is why there’s an entire field of U.S. law called constitutional law, and why the Supreme Court’s primary role is to decide constitutional questions.

        That also means we can infer the Constitution doesn’t specify every type of weapon people should be allowed to own. For example, it obviously doesn’t say that citizens should be able to possess intercontinental ballistic missiles.

        What it does mention is “a well-regulated militia.” I think that’s the more important part of the Second Amendment, even though most people focus almost exclusively on “the right to keep and bear arms.”

        A free state can, technically, maintain its own military. That context is often overlooked in modern discussions of the amendment.

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          I feel the same. I’ve tried that angle with gun nuts before. They focus on ‘militia’ and infer that since the founders understood ‘militia’ to mean any able-bodied (white, free, man) that would answer the call to defend the territory, that same must hold true today. They also take “well regulated” to mean ‘hunter’s safety’, ‘handgun registration’, ‘serial numbers’, and ‘hunting licenses’.

          The mental gymnastics put Thomas and the other Reich members on the SC to shame. (not really)

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      Cool, come watch my special needs son while I go guillotining? I’ll bring my rifle.