Based on how my conversations have gone, I’d just skip explaining the federation part entirely. Most people don’t care
I’d just say it’s like Reddit, but more friendly and less addictive. Sell that they’ll get all the important news and memes, but without the ads, bots, and garbage content shoved in their faces
I’d also pick a home server for them and help them set it up, lemmy.world is probably good as a default if they’re coming from mainstream socials
Truth is, most people really don’t care how it works. They just want it to work, and their first impression shouldn’t be choice overload or a data dump
it’s like Reddit
Yeah, that’s only a small corner of the fediverse, though 🙂
Mastodon is like Twitter, friendica is like Facebook, loops is like tik tok, etc etc
In theory they could all federate, but again that’s not something new users need to know about (and there’s only a few such links anyways)
Overexplaining it might scare away non-technical users. Just compare it to well-known social media but say it 's independent and more like e-mail in the sense that everyone can choose a different server with different rules but they all talk to each other. No one company controls everything. And that the algorithms aren’t secret or manipulative. Basically, just tell them the main advantages in an easy to understand way.
It’s like running Linux, btw
I use Fedi btw
This will become our new catchphrase:-)
Much better than: “Do you even Fedi, braugh?”
It’s like _____, but it sucks. But like, in a good way. Like the old Internet. It sucked, but that’s what made it so good.
Don’t.
Just say: “this is like Reddit(/Twitter/…), but independent."
They will figure the rest if they have or want to.
I said that to my friend. It’s like reddit, but it’s not owned by a company.
He couldn’t comprehend how that was possible…
Email isn’t owned by a company, either. Maybe bring that up?
Its a caffe bar
Everyone can join one
Everyone can make one
And you can send stuff to any other caffee bar, or receive.
I have not really looked into it to understand. From what I intuit, it’s basically an open protocol for users and messages? So platforms can pull in users and messages from other platforms — they’re interconnectable in that way. You can host a platform that implements the protocols, helping the network grow. Is that right?
I understand you can launch a platform, but what if you just want to supply a node to a running platform? Can you donate compute / storage / networking?
Donating hardware that you already own is probably possible, but can be tricky and has security connotations, depending on the arrangement. Unless you’re simply paying for hosting costs for that node and have no operational control at all.
There are simpler and better days.
If you want to donate, chip in to whatever server you’re on (e.g. lemmy.zip) - send them a few dollars a month, or a one time donation. Or find an instance or a software project (e.g. Lemmy or Gotosocial or Mastodon) and give them those few bucks.
Just making the effort is both not that hard, but it’s also great. Even people who don’t have money to spare can try it. I don’t know, find something like a book or a cupboard you’re not using, sell it for a small amount of money, and send it.
Of course, lots of people can’t afford to, and that’s why other people are running open servers. That part is super hard not just because of money, but moderation. Running an instance means you commit your time, every day, all the time, to moderate the users, to monitor the software, to fight off DDoS attacks and a million other things. So you can also offer to donate some of your time. Be it moderation or e.g. issue triage or something, it’s usually welcome. So you can look into it. But make sure you can commit - short term “I’ll try it” help is often taking more time to train the volunteer then they’re going to contribute back before giving up.
Finally, as someone says, it’s also easy to run your own server. Either buy hosting and operation - I know e.g. masto.host but I’m sure there are others - you pay and they monitor and maintain the software. You just moderate it l like an admin. Invite your buddy there.
Some people have the time and skills and operate their own servers, without spending the time for moderation. I’m running a single user instance of Gotosocial. I have control, but I don’t have to deal with moderation. That’s also feasible.
Anyway, for your buddy, educate them that it’s not the same as Twitter Reddit or Instagram, but the core ideas are similar. Send them a meme post or an interesting thread from time to time. They’ll want to engage eventually. Upvote or reply. They have to make the account. They’ll then get bored, give up, but that’s fine. Moderate yourself, don’t spam them. If they like it they’ll come back. Or they’ll get frustrated by another ad Block busting scheme by Reddit and come back again. Or not. Which is also fine.
Its not that hard to setup your own instance
It’s baffling to me that everyone thinks it’s hard to explain.
Everyone has at least one most of the time two or more email addresses. From work, some from Gmail and / or Microsoft. everyone understands that sending email to other providers will work regardless.
Why is it so hard to apply the same concept to Lemmy?
What question does the email comparison answer?
The email analogy is just bad, may as well say it’s like toast because any type of bread will fit any toaster
Any type of bread following the same standard will fit into a standard toaster.
Initially. It’s a link aggregator and discussion site, like reddit, but far more independent.
If they query it. It runs on a system a bit like how email works. Rather than 1 big monolithic system, it’s a bunch of small ones linked together. A federation of small services all acting as 1 whole. In practice it’s fairly transparent, just like you don’t care who’s hosting an email address, you can just email it.
It also makes it a lot more resistant to takeover and manipulation by big business. It can resist the Nazis bar problem better, like what happened to twitter. (Optional depending on the person involved).
The first gives them the basic idea. The second gives them a basic understanding of the structure, without overwhelming them, or panicking them with complexity.
Everyone now knows that email just works, but has lots of different companies involved. It makes a good comparison for how federation can work well online.
It’s a cool community without all the ads, nazis and psychos. It has 100% more real Humans.
And 100% less AI!
I dont want to sound too jaded, but people will sign up for anything without reading the TOS. It’ll be fine, just try to give them the best possible first impression so they stick around.
The practical thing that trips up most people is the wealth of possible servers to register with. Give your friends a leg up and give them a signup link to a reliable, friendly instance you think will fit them (probably one you’re already on).
Just give people a low-friction way in, let them get a feel of the fediverse/a specific, local feed. In my experience over-evangelising the nuts and bolts only turns them off the whole concept.
I think we often try to sell the fediverse too hard on the technical and idealist perspectives. Yes, federation is great and, yes, isn’t it lovely that there is no manipulative algorithm, or no billionaire can buy it out and build it into his failed space exploration empire?
But the majority of internet users don’t care about those things. Even for those that do, it’ll be way down their priority list.
Ugh, posted before reading the other comments. Loads of people put it shorter and better already. This is just a +1 to all of the above 👍
Heh, I’m upvoting you anyway for taking the time…and for good attitude in this reply
Send them this link https://fediverse.info/
A picture is worth a thousand words. The Fediverse :
It’s like reddit but without the numbers and without most of the hate. Who cares about the tech side?
“It’s an alternative to {insert service here}, but if a feature of the platform, an administration, its userbase, etc., are a problem, you can easily find alternatives without abandoning the whole network. Do keep backups of your communities though!”
Also would need to rewrite to not sound as technical, but features-wise, I’d recommend Mbin, Friendica or, once it matures more, PieFed, since all 3 are overarching, being able to access Reddit-like posts, Twitter-like posts, and those compatible with either.
Who you’re trying to invite over?
You don’t. That’s established relationship shit (romantic or otherwise).
