Windows:
Linux:
Really needed that cat pick today. Also always cool to see Linux kicking butt
Makes sense, but I’m not expecting companies to support linux natively. I’m already happy enough if they put effort into a proper proton port and ensure any kind of anti cheat will run with it.
Nice cat.
Does the cat use Arch, BTW?
Fun fact: cats use arch all the time, btw
How is there not an Arch-derived distro that uses a cat in the shape of the Arch logo for their logo?
I think it’s an AUR package you can download and configure, probably the one that caused all the security issues for AUR the other week.
Nyarch? Except its a catgirl
I did think of that one after. It’s still not a cat arching it’s back, like the pictures above, though. Those cats are so close to being in the shape of the Arch logo that someone should make a cat Arch logo.
I will not ignore the cat pic, in fact I enjoyed it, tyvm.
Same. This is now a cat thread.
Irrelevant cat picture to get people to read the post works every time.
Impressive.
Very nice.
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Now… lets see Paul Allens cat.
I will not ignore the cat.
Sometimes, you can get similar benefits on Windows running DXVK.
Some older DX9/OpenGL games like it in particular.
Cool cool. Now if only linux worked on my PC. Tried like 6 distros and each had their own issues preventing me from playing games.
Kind of curious about the hardware, because this seems kind of unlikely.
Ryzen 7 5800x with 32GB ram and a rtx3070.
Some systems failed to install or failed to complete the setup after installing. While others did technically work but the experience was just bad. Most games I tried ran like shit conpared to win11.
I would be willing to help you.
I mean idk what to try anymore. I use Fedora on my laptop so I might try that again but I had issues where I could not get through the setup after installing.
What kind of weird issues? Did it finish the install and boot from the drive, or did you not get past the live environment?
It booted fine and after setting up username password all that I got stuck on timezone selection. I could move my mouse and click on stuff but nothing would happen. I tried skipping it or exiting the setup, even rebooting did nothing. I just could not get past the timezone selection.
That…is strange. What specific flavor of Fedora was that?
Oh thats because you forgot the pentagram of lit candles around the computer. Friggin’ noob.
But really though the only thing I can think of is that you are running your own NTP server that you forgot about and it’s having a bad time?
Hows your hardware?
Memtest your RAM?
HDD or SSD? How old are they, they got any problems?
If you keep hitting problems on connecting to timezone, it might be your wifi chip / card, could be that its an odd duck that still has driver quirks on linux, + is maybe physically damaged… could lead to a lot of nonsense if you are actually grabbing malformed core files from a not fully offline install.
Hardware’s fine I think. Using a 4th gen m.2 no real issues and most pf the stuff is about 6 years old. The only distro I had timezone issues with was Fedora
Ok so ‘I think’ is not the same as ‘yes I tested it and I know’.
But anyway… yeah you’d have to give a more detailed description of… well, pick one particular attempt at an OS install, and specifically describe what did or did not work, with that one.
I’m not trying to be an ass, but its basically impossible to troubleshoot when the info you have is ‘i tried a bunch of things and they all didn’t work in different ways’.
Gotta be able to go through an actual diagnosis of a defined scenario.
I know. Well I never tested stuff because apart from shit nvidia drivers I never had issues on windows. What would you like me to test anyway? Memtest or give some suggestions.
The only real tangible issue was the one I mentioned on fedora with the timezone selection issue. All the other distros either did nowlt want to install or just had general performance issues either in the DE or just in games. Especially the 2 games I really only care about. Squad 44 and War thunder (the only ones I actually play) both ran like shit on all the distros I tried (bazzite, nobara, debian, cachyOS)
Well… ok, let me try to respond broadly, first, then more narrowly, second.
Nvidia drivers are also shit on Linux.
To install Nvidia drivers on Linux, you actually have to install an entire custom kernel, much of which is propietary, not open source, other people cannot see the actual code.
This means that you basically have to pick a particular Nvidia driver/kernel, and build a Linux OS around it… with the added difficulty of… if Nvidia updates its drivers, well now the OS has to check literally every possible thing they could have changed, while not being able to directly see those things that may or may not have changed.
This… is significantly harder to do to a 100% OS stability/functionality assured level… than with AMD, who open sources their entire Linux drivers.
(I am not sure what the status is here for Intel GPUs)
So, yeah, basically, a shitty broken Nvidia driver update, on Linux, in comparison to Windows, has the additional capacity to potentially break literally all of your OS.
There is an open source version of Nvidia drivers, the Nouveau drivers, that are much more broadly compatible with various Linux distros… but its basically unofficial, a bunch of people trying to reverse engineer the official, blackbox, propietary Nvidia drivers.
So… it usually significantly lags behind the propietary drivers in terms of up to date features and optimization and newer game support.
There’s a good write up on this here, if you eant more details:
https://machaddr.substack.com/p/nouveau-vs-nvidia-the-battle-between
So, IMO, a more sane approach than just going bleeding edge with your Nvidia driver/kernel, is to use an OS that semi-regularly rebases itself around the latest stable Nvidia driver/kernel.
Of the OSs you listed, Bazzite is the most straight forward and also reliable, in that way.
Debian is exceedingly stable, but, requires you to learn learn how to use it properly… you have to find an Nvidia driver/kernel that is basically compatible with your version of Debian, then stick with that untill Debian does a full new version of itself, about once a year I think.
Nobara and Cachy are basically bleeding edge; more frequent updates to latest Nvidia versions, but also this means greater chance something breaks and doesn’t get noticed or fixed for a bit.
Now to try to be more specific:
When you say you only ran into timezone issues on ‘fedora’, do you mean standard mainline fedora?
Or does that include Nobara and Bazzite? They are both based on Fedora, basically customized versions of Fedora.
You also say your main use case concern here is WarThunder and Squad 44, the latter I think meaning the WW2 submod of Squad? Or is it actuslly a fully distinct game at this point… I haven’t kept up.
(Ah, apparently it is its own thing now!)
So anyway… both of those use kernel level anticheat.
Kernel level anticheat tends to not play super well with Linux. Because… well now we have another thing fucking with the kernel, in addition to Nvidia!
Another thing that is not open source, that is a black box, that works in ways other people don’t know about, and can again change something rather important, which can potentially break a lot of other things.
It is hard to build an OS around kernel cores when the kernel itself is a mystery to those designing the OS.
While Squad proper implements EAC in a way that does work on Linux, Squad 44 doesn’t appear to. So, Offworld would have to… do that.
WarThunder on the other hand implements BattleEye in a way that works on Linux, but my guess would be they have not prioritized optimizing it much.
I dunno, what uh… what kinds of frame rate and such differences were you getting on which OS and which gfx settings vs … same gfx settings on Win10 or Win11?
Does that include the gaming-centric distros like CachyOS or Bazzite?
Both of those plus Nobara
In many games it does, but I’m not sure this comparison is a good example of that, as it shows persistent CPU stutter on Linux. With those spikes, Windows would be the smoother experience even if the average frametimes are slightly better on Linux.
Yeah I’m not sure what’s up with that, maybe OP needs to try a different scheduler?
As I… think has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, you can run Gamescope + Proton + Wayland, and force the refresh rate.
You can do this with xrandr or sometimes some games actually expose it as a thing you can directly configure.
Presumably, you could set this to, for this example, 90, and probably help out the frame timing variance a bit.
ignore cat pic
How does it handle ray tracing?
how does anything handle raytracing? I watched a friend with a 5090 show off his bullshit money rig and maybe it was a 4k monitor or something, I didn’t check, but it wasn’t performant enough to impress me at that price range. Its probably also lack of optimization and nobody ever leaving the default unreal engine visuals.
It’s laughable because all Linux gamers have is amateur benchmarks that don’t account for 1% lows, shader cache stutters, selective picking, and no frame-by-frame analysis. There’s no mention of input lag, frame timing issues, or whether the game can even be completed on Linux (some are broke for frame timing issues).
Pushing this kind of nonsense is assholey to people that might be willing to risk damaging hardware to run Linux.
They literally have the frame time graph in the screenshot? And yea the timing looks dramatically worse on Linux in this case lol.
“Damaging hardware” are you from the past or something?
There are recent cases. Do you not use search? Are LiGNUxers allergic to that as well as AI?
Gork, is this true?
Damaging hardware, lmao
ffs do you LiGNUxers actually research anything other than what distro will solve your current problem?
You’re just displaying your inferiority complex here.
Hmm? I was just laughing at how ridiculous your claim is, read my other comment. Overheating can be caused by anything. Often the specific applications your running instead of the OS. And your hardware has faiksafes for this to prevent damage. You might also want to check if your cooling system is still doing it’s job.
What hardware damage are you even talking about? That’s not actually a thing.
I mean they’re not entirely wrong. 1% lows are very much an issue and you can see the spikes in OPs screenshot.
But uh… let’s just say they’re a pretty notorious user.
You openly and brazenly lie. -Interesting! Is that very quick upvote also vote manipulation?
Dude, you appear to have an unhealthy obsession. You may want to consider talking to a professional about it.
Linking your own list of hypotheticals is not any kind of proof of anything.
That isn’t really a comeback, but a good example of why advocates aren’t allowed there.
-Thanks for providing a perfect example.
I’m not making a comeback or trying to debate you at all. I’m honestly pointing out that the level of time and anger you appear to be spending on something you are free to just not use, is extremely unhealthy.
FFS shit or get off the pot.
You aren’t getting, are you? I’m not even in the bathroom.
Posting your own threads that have been downvoted (rightfully) to hell isn’t the win you thought it was…
You didn’t contest a single entry in it. All you’re doing is effectively down-voting which doesn’t make you right or wrong. If you had ANY integrity; you could address what’s brought up in the posts as the information isn’t exclusive there (it’s simply compiled there).
If you’d like, I can link to a Reddit sub where it’s upvoted!
Anyway, you’re showing you lack integrity and discernment. As well as highlighting the obvious bias on this site because it appeals to LiGNUxers.
larper
“If you’d like, I can link to a Reddit sub where it’s upvoted”
Gee golly maybe you should hang out there more. After all they are willing to upvote your bullshit. They must like it there. Go there and stay forever please.
The first thread also only has deleted comments. Suspicious
Read the rules and understand we’re not about wasting time arguing there with idiots. If they actually made a point; it would get addressed.
But what’s your excuse here? -Please tell!
I am just saying that the fact all comments were deleted is supicious.
But not having any real rebuttals here isn’t. Hypocrisy. Imagine sparing non-Linux fans from all the dishonest Linux propaganda.
madthumbs lost a hard drive to a bad Red Hat installation over 20 years ago, and that made them really, really, really, really, really…really, really salty about Linux and FOSS. They like to talk in royal we, but the community of LinuxSUCKS is literally just them deleting and banning everyone who even tangentially disagrees with their deranged memes.
They are not very put together, but they do know how to hold a grudge eternally.
This happens on windows too.
Not the same thing.
You’re literally quoting yourself, you clown
It’s a compilation knuckle dragging mouth breather.
Compilations with no actual sources given. They’re literally just you prattling on, you fucking loon.
Oh, you don’t have internet at your finger tips to confirm yourself in seconds? I feel sorry for you, but gonna block you since you’re still working on your inferiority complex. (putting others down to make yourself feel better)
Bold coming from the guy who’s ego is so fragile that he spends all his time harassing people over Linux. You’re a pathetic, hypocritical waste of cum
Even if linux in particular caused overheating, your system has safeguards for that outside the OS. So it has nothing to do with windows or linux. If your hardware gets damaged by overheating, the safeguards failed.
Look at me cite myself from threads in the community I moderate where I’ve banned anyone providing pushback
You mean look at yourself not proving me wrong on a single thing.
Everybody in this thread got baited.
Do Not Feed The Trolls!
Everyone needs a hobby. Some people feed ducks, some people feed trolls.
Also, as much as it feeds the trolls’ weird need for negative attention, it’s also sometimes important to at least point out their bullshit for what it is, lest someone else who’s less versed in the topic at hand take it for actual information.
Spotted the Microsoft sales person! Do I win something?
Recognition from the other 20% vocal minority of conspiracy theorists.
ITT: OP learns why reviewers take days to provide benchmarks for games. If you don’t come with receipts, it’s death by a thousand buts.
I once posted on /r/MacGaming how pleased I was that I could run Horizon Zero Dawn on my M2 Air using Crossover, and how it seemed (to me) to run better than on my massive, old, water-cooled PC with an Nvidia GTX1060. I wasn’t getting 120fps or anything, in fact, it was closer to 20fps at times. But I was running HZD on a fanless laptop, on an architecture on which it was never designed to run.
Foolishly, I was expecting a chorus of folks saying “yeah, cool, nice!”, but what I actually got were a bunch of folks demanding proof.
So I closed Reddit, because it wasn’t worth the arsehole.
