20 days of annual leave (these can carry over, though the business encourage you to take them - and they can pay you out for 5 days a year, if both you and they agree).
10 days of ‘sick leave’ (this accumulates up to, I think, 20 days) - can be used for dependants (eg caring for a sick child).
Up to 3 days bereavement leave.
12 ‘public holidays’ (1 is a different day per region, the others are national holidays)
So we get less annual leave, but it gets more nuanced once all of the other leave types are considered. I think NZ is somewhere in the middle of the field when it comes to leave entitlements.
In the Netherlands it is a minimum of 5 times the days you work each week, so if you work five days it’s 20 each year. Most companies add 5 extra days to this in the collective agreements (basically union agreements). These agreements also cover public holidays, 5 is the average amount I think.
Lots of companies have a 38 or 36 (less common) hour work week. Usually you’ll work for 40 hours under these contracts, and for the extra hours you get “ADV” days, 12 if your contract is 38 hours. Depending on the company these days get scheduled in advance, or it’s extra days off.
Quick edit: sick days is basically limitless if you’re sick. There’s other types of leave like bereavement leave or for care taking, but that is totally company dependent.
Sick days are complex after a long period (like a full month or 2). but thats a different can of worms. And its not like you will lose much pay either.
It’s interesting; I was listening to a recent NPR Planet Money podcast about why the US doesn’t have guaranteed vacation like all other high income countries. Much of it boiled down to history and politics, but one point that stuck out to me is that unions actually at one point opposed guaranteed vacation days, because if the government has laws for worker rights and leave, it reduces the demand for unions.
I don’t know how much of a factor it is today, but for reference, I have a highly sought set of skills and experience in the US, and I get 35 paid holiday days per year, virtually unlimited sick leave, a two for one 401k match, comprehensive medical and dental, continuing education stipend, etc. Not guaranteed by law, but provided as work incentives.
I wonder if much of the middle class here didn’t have such things, how many more laws or unions we would have to get them.
Thanks for that info, and ye that does sound like early american history/politics. Cover your own arse and screw the rest hehe.
I think the rest of the world has proven that unions are always needed, so they would not have vanished if government added laws to give everyone a minimum holidays. There is always something to fight for or, and thats the most important one, make sure it all happens like the law says it should. This is also something unions do.
In any case, i cant say how many middle class ( whatever that may even mean these days because i dont consider myself middle class but im not lower class either ) are in the usa since im from the wrong side of the world for that. But what we hear and read ( which are often the loudest people ) its a lot and its just wrong to have to rely on a company giving them to you cause youre valuable. Its like the garbageman/woman from around the corner is not worth not working to death because they are “just collecting trash” which is not a high skill job
In Spain this year is special for me … I can have a total of 10 weeks off, plus two days of family time, plus two days of bereavement leave (my mother passed in April).
Plus any sick leave I might need, though I have to have a doctor’s note if it’s more than one day.
I feel like I’m a holiday millionaire … pity it isn’t every year!
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It’s not all that remarkable for being in Europe, but… five weeks vacation per year.
I’m curious how that stacks up with others.
In New Zealand we get (for full-time employment):
So we get less annual leave, but it gets more nuanced once all of the other leave types are considered. I think NZ is somewhere in the middle of the field when it comes to leave entitlements.
In the Netherlands it is a minimum of 5 times the days you work each week, so if you work five days it’s 20 each year. Most companies add 5 extra days to this in the collective agreements (basically union agreements). These agreements also cover public holidays, 5 is the average amount I think.
Lots of companies have a 38 or 36 (less common) hour work week. Usually you’ll work for 40 hours under these contracts, and for the extra hours you get “ADV” days, 12 if your contract is 38 hours. Depending on the company these days get scheduled in advance, or it’s extra days off.
Quick edit: sick days is basically limitless if you’re sick. There’s other types of leave like bereavement leave or for care taking, but that is totally company dependent.
Sick days are complex after a long period (like a full month or 2). but thats a different can of worms. And its not like you will lose much pay either.
So yes, they are “limitless”. Suck it usa :')
It’s interesting; I was listening to a recent NPR Planet Money podcast about why the US doesn’t have guaranteed vacation like all other high income countries. Much of it boiled down to history and politics, but one point that stuck out to me is that unions actually at one point opposed guaranteed vacation days, because if the government has laws for worker rights and leave, it reduces the demand for unions.
I don’t know how much of a factor it is today, but for reference, I have a highly sought set of skills and experience in the US, and I get 35 paid holiday days per year, virtually unlimited sick leave, a two for one 401k match, comprehensive medical and dental, continuing education stipend, etc. Not guaranteed by law, but provided as work incentives.
I wonder if much of the middle class here didn’t have such things, how many more laws or unions we would have to get them.
Thanks for that info, and ye that does sound like early american history/politics. Cover your own arse and screw the rest hehe.
I think the rest of the world has proven that unions are always needed, so they would not have vanished if government added laws to give everyone a minimum holidays. There is always something to fight for or, and thats the most important one, make sure it all happens like the law says it should. This is also something unions do.
In any case, i cant say how many middle class ( whatever that may even mean these days because i dont consider myself middle class but im not lower class either ) are in the usa since im from the wrong side of the world for that. But what we hear and read ( which are often the loudest people ) its a lot and its just wrong to have to rely on a company giving them to you cause youre valuable. Its like the garbageman/woman from around the corner is not worth not working to death because they are “just collecting trash” which is not a high skill job
In Spain this year is special for me … I can have a total of 10 weeks off, plus two days of family time, plus two days of bereavement leave (my mother passed in April).
Plus any sick leave I might need, though I have to have a doctor’s note if it’s more than one day.
I feel like I’m a holiday millionaire … pity it isn’t every year!
Different countries (and companies) in Europe have different holidays. Especially German ones are as stingy as they can be.
Everyone who just wants in the US sucks in every way train love this one. It’s all looking for the worst shit in the US comparing it against the best in the EU.