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    the Vatican is not a temporal kingdom anymore, and the Pope is technically the ruler of the Vatican, thats why he is referred to as that, not the King, just a Ruler.

    And Unam Sanctam declares papal supremacy over all earthly rulers because in the Catholic Faith, you should listen to the Pope way more than your earthly ruler and Jesus told us not to worry about what we will eat, wear, drink, etc and the nations of the world, and to focus your desires onto the kingdom of God

    The Vatican is again, NOT CURRENTLY, an empire, so it does not have imperial power

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      1. so you concede that it was a temporal kingdom, for over a thousand years. the pope still holds all the kingly titles, he just lost the armies to enforce them

      2. this completely confirms my argument- this is exactly the kind of conflation of spiritual authority and temporal authority which the catholic church has used to exterminate its enemies. it just lacks the power to do it these days.

      3. ‘not currently an empire’: you are arguing against a point i didn’t make

      i accept your concession

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        when I realize some people will never change their minds when they have become stiff necked but if I sigh and stop, their soul is my burden.

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            I do not believe that I am spiritually superior to anybody, we are all sinners.

            However, it is my duty to inform people of the Word

            and it is often a Tragedy if they do not listen with open ears and most importantly, open hearts

            I am not angry at you, only sad.

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        Not until they lost their armies, but until they realized “Hey, unchecked power is intoxicating and war only leads to more war” and spit it out

        God does not bless any conflict

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          Not until they lost their armies, but until they realized “Hey, unchecked power is intoxicating and war only leads to more war” and spit it out

          this is intense historical revisionism, they did not graciously hand over power, the risorgimento forcibly stripped it.

          pius ix called himself a prisoner of the vatican when italian troops took rome in 1870 and the papacy refused to recognize the italian state for sixty years.

          the Lateran Treaty with Mussolini was their reconciliation with losing

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            If the Church suddenly gained an army today, they would disband it.

            The Church has gone through a LOT of theological reformations and more findings since 1870. The Capture of Rome was forced, but most civillians

            and most of the members of the Church did not want to keep power.