Not against AI. I use it quite a lot. I also find amusement when it tells be things that are just wrong in a very sure way. So never fully trust AI. If you accept that then AI can be quite useful.
Are we talking about AI, LLMs or both?
My research was on AI but not llms.
A tool becomes “good” or “bad” based on its implementation.
The current trend towards massive unsustainable data centers is pretty objectively “bad” for humans and other creatures for questionable benefit.
Localized AI, on the other hand, would be less harmful, and more useful. This would move the needle towards a more objective “good”.
Yeah it’s like gmos. The biggest companies in the game are well documented as ill-intentioned profiteers. The technology isn’t inherently bad.
There’s usually a sub argument here of what the models are trained on - local or not.
Then be an activist. Never pay for AI, I don’t. Maybe 30 dollars a year for tools I can’t do without, but take everything for free. Make the unsustainability fall due to its own weight. That doesn’t mean I don’t use AI every day for work, spirituality, and learning. Take advantage of what you have available. Group think sucks.
…you use AI for spirituality? what are you even talking about
Not op, but i assume they just mean talking to an llm about spiritual topics. Especially local ai, if you pick a less censored model so it doesnt constantly spit refusals, they can hold conversations on difficult topics pretty well now. Whether that is politics, religion, law, finance, medicine, or roleplaying porn, doesnt really matter to the llm.
I mean you have the utmost expert there for whatever the hell you want. Understand it has biases and flaws like any teacher. But damn you’re missing out if you didn’t have deep talks about philosophy, examine your studies deeper. I don’t mind who uses it or not, just feeling a bit of intolerance here in Lemmy I didn’t expect, just a curious note.
You can thank the ai companies for the intolerance, many are okay with the technology itself.
I wouldn’t equate it with any human teacher still though. Even someone who has difficulty saying “i don’t know.” Has less difficulty saying it than LLMs do, hallucinations are an unsolved problem for now.
There are AI tools you can’t live without? That’s really sad for you
Who said that? You’re imagining things.
This you?
Never pay for AI, I don’t. Maybe 30 dollars a year for tools I can’t do without, but take everything for free.
Maybe you were referring to non-AI tools, though the mention of that here would be unusual, so the most likely reading of this is that you were saying something like “I don’t pay for AI, except when I do”.
I see where you’re coming from… When there is no way of doing something without AI I take on a job and pay peanuts for AI. I choose to earn money over not paying for AI. I can totally live without it, it’s just work is preferrable than a tantrum.
I’m pissed at how its able to license wash Foss code and peoples IP. But it seems there are no rules for American or Chinese tech companies because they refuse to legislate so ip should be completely removed. There is no way any of their IP should be respected.
People come to Lemmy precisely because they’re tired of big algorithmic corporate platforms. They come here precisely to get away from AI slop on platforms like Facebook. Hell, half the people here have been banned from reddit based on comically flawed algorithmic AI moderation tools. This platform is heavily selected for people who dislike AI and AI content.
Although I agree with the algorithmic abuses with AI, I didn’t expect a group think to be so prevalent, especially in a tech-leaning group. I don’t mind being popular, I guess the lack of AI might work to my advantage here.
Being tech-leaning is exactly why we are against AI. We are just much more aware of the resource it’s consuming, the privacy it’s infringing, and the content it’s stealing.
No disrespect, but with that attitude you won’t be tech-leaning for long. I understand where you’re coming from, just the “We are” sounds a bit culty and I really dislike cults.
I’ll admit “we are” is a bit of an exaggeration. That is only based on my observation of the community.
The issue with “tech-leaning” people who believe AI is the future is that they’re in the “peak of mount stupid” part of the Dunning-Kruger curve. Once you get past that, you realize AI was never good at anything and it’s harmful to everyone in a million different ways. Most of lemmy’s tech-leaning people have already realized that, and are actively trying to avoid AI.
Arrogance will hinder you more than help you brother.
Just because you have an unpopular opinion in actual tech leaning groups doesn’t mean it’s group think. It means your opinion sucks
I’m against the LLM bubble. They’re gobbling up all of our compute, electricity, water, and basically all investment capital while not even generating productivity gains or improving anyone’s lives. Internet search is now dead, all my fan communities are just full of slop instead of art from artists, and the piggies that own the data centers are destroying all culture to feed their autocomplete machines. LLMs have accelerated the decay of civilization in a way that we might struggle to recover from when the bubble pops. Half the time it’s not even AI, the real work is just outsourced to some superexploited workers in the Global South.
There are some legitimate use-cases for LLM technology, but the way they’re trying to cram it into everything is actually just wrecking everything. It seems like they’re destroying the world for a worse calculator that can pretend to be your girlfriend.
I am not “against” AI. I am against unfettered capitalism and how it is poisoning humanity. AI can hold the same kind of promise that Internet v1 had before the first eternal September. But because of the “success” of the capitalization of the web, folks are flocking to AI on the assumption that something similar will happen to it. I see it as a gold rush. Some boom towns may happen along the way. Some may endure. But it’s still very early to know that.
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Yup. I suspect on other social media that some of the positive sentiment towards AI is just astroturfing.
There a strong amount of astroturfing even over on Mastodon. I imagine it’s worse on the billionaire owned socials.
If John Mastodon can’t stop the astroturfing, there’s no way those lesser founders can.
Reality as an artist dictates that all my work was datamined without my consent and anything I post in the future, should I choose to do so, will. And the end result of this data mining is to drive artists like me out of business. I don’t mind the average Joe getting their anime girl with three titties in five minutes, but company owners are making money out of this and paying nobody for their source material.
wait, you can ask for three titties…?..?
You can ask for four!
Too many tiddies.
Many people here know that “AI” as a term is pure snake oil. You aren’t actually talking about anything until you say what you think it means, or specific examples.
AI research goes back to the early 1950s. Being “against” all of that old research is kinda meaningless… So it’s your job to clarify what you mean, or not, and other users will respond accordingly.
It’s the year 2026. All of Lemmy has been conquered by AI haters.
All of Lemmy? No. A small instance resists: Lemmygrad.
Oh yeah, Lemmy is overwhelmingly against AI in any capacity. I’m one of the few that finds it useful for a handful of things and generally defend that use. That being said, it’s definitely important to understand that “hallucinations” are a thing (though not nearly as prevalent as those here would claim), it’s a major problem for the arts industry at large, it’s objectively making people dumber (great studies on students who over rely on it), and there are terrible climate implications.
It’s just a tool, and like any other tool there are pros and cons, and it should be used responsibly. But yeah, Lemmy hates the shit out of anything AI
Most rational comment I’ve read. I’m going to have fun on Lemmy, I do appreciate you can be very unpopular and it doesn’t silence you. Appreciate your comment too :)
There was a post on Mastodon that I sadly cannot find right now that really articulated the fact that there’s not necessarily a single problem with LLMs and generative AI - the issue is that there’s an entire stack of potential dangers associated with them. To paraphrase:
Use of and reliance on LLMs for certain tasks has shown to have deleterious effects on critical thinking skills.
Even if that isn’t true or I weren’t concerned about it, I’d be concerned about its effects on my psychological wellbeing.
Even if I weren’t concerned about that, I’d be concerned about the ethical issues of how their training data was and is acquired.
Even if I weren’t concerned about that, I’d be concerned about its effects on the job market and the further upward concentration of wealth.
Even if I weren’t concerned about that, I’d be concerned about the massive energy costs and the associated effects on utility bills and greenhouse gas emissions.
Even if I weren’t concerned about that, I’d be concerned about the massive cooling requirements and its effects on the global availability of clean water.
Even if certain approaches to or implementations of GAI solve one or a couple of these concerns, I’d have to overcome all of them (and likely others I’ve forgotten to list) to feel comfortable using GAI in any serious capacity, and even then it looks like I would end up with a tool that I’d have to constantly double-check to avoid hallucinations. It’s just not worth it.
And nearly all of these arguments also to apply to others using GAI, so I’m forced to advocate against it.
I hear you man. I agree, if I could disappear it, I would, but I can’t and it’s here. I think resisting it is just wasting energy. There is definitely a bubble of hype around it. Who knows, I don’t.
It sounds like you continue to use it, though. How do you justify it in the face of what I laid out above? “Waste of energy” is a shitty excuse for engaging in bad behavior.
I don’t excuse it. It was born unethically stealing all of the internet. But like I said, it’s here, I sure as hell am not going to become a pilgrim and make cheese. I like living in the modern world. Maybe some day I’ll retire to the woods, but for now I got to live in this world, so I might as well take it in the chin and accept the damn thing.
I totally respect people not using it, it’s just I’ve found people on Lemmy kind of don’t respect people using it. I’m not here to change the world, though, I’m happy I opened this discussion.
I think you’ll find that the gripe is more about it being implemented badly, and in a way that’s harmful on multiple levels rather than the technology itself.
I think there is a lot of misdirected frustration. The technology isn’t the issue, the way it’s been implemented is the issue. There are some useful use cases for AI.
Completely agree.
