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Good that the most powerful people in the world use it then

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It’s going to be considered an illegal terrorist boycott to not show up

Obama’s economy!

https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/#samsung

Elon claims Tesla is already past that point.

Elon claims a lot of shit. Most of them are lies. He cannot prove with real data that “FSD” really crashes less.

Even if you’re skeptical of the claim, it’s clearly close enough to be concerned about.

Again, Teslas aren’t even considered autonomous cars.

Don’t get me wrong, I want to be optimistic. But currently it looks like this will take much longer to succeed than Elon and other hype men claimed.

We will soon be at the point, or already are, that your choice kills more people.

Where do you get that? From Elon?

Yes safety features and driving assistants make driving safer. Letting the car drive by itself not (especially with Teslas).

That’s exactly what the comment you are replying to said.

This stuff is highly regulated https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_self-driving_cars

Mercedes has the first autonomous car (L3) you can buy, which you can only activate at low speeds on certain roads in Germany. It’s only possible because of Lidar sensors and when activated you are legally allowed to look at your phone as long as you can take over in 10 or so seconds.

You aren’t allowed to do this in a Tesla, since the government doesn’t categorize Teslas as autonomous vehicles which requires L3+.

No car manufacturer can sell real autonomous vehicles without government approval. Tesla FSD is just Marketing bs. Others are far ahead in terms of autonomous driving tech.

The thing is humans are horrible drivers, costing a huge toll in lives and property every year.

True

We may already be at the point where we need to deal with the ethics of inadequate self-driving causing too many accidents vs human causing more.

Are you talking about waymo vs human driver? It’s currently (and maybe never) economical to roll that out globally. That would cost trillions and probably wouldn’t even be feasible everywhere.

Teslas aren’t autonomous but just mere driving assistants so you can’t compare them. Otherwise you’d also have to include the Mercedeses (which btw have the first commercial Level 3 car), BMWs, BYDs, …

but is it ethical to block Immature technology if it does overall save lives?

It would be very unethical to allow companies to profit from dangerous and unsafe technology that kills people.

Presumably we have the intelligence to set requirements before something can be called self-driving

We already have that https://www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update

Yeah sure. If you want the same bad results as humans deliver, in terms of crash rates, than it’s possible. I wouldn’t trust it. Also human vision and processing is completely different from computer vision and processing.

I get what you mean but it’s still stuck at level 2 and it always will be. No matter how good it is, if you move your eyes from the road, it will eventually kill you. Cameras alone are not sufficient enough for autonomous driving.

robotaxis

It’s going to be a disaster. Tesla “FSD” is glorified cruise control on level 2 on the autonomous driving scale.

semi

It’s already a disaster. The economics don’t add up and the few on the road break down all the time.

How about buying only one or two dolls for their kids?

This!

If we are throwing around big words, we have to be precise though.

Echo chambers always existed and we are in them all the time. A few hundreds or thousands years ago, we lived in small groups. Those definitely had different opinions, but overall had the same values. Those were echo chambers. Now, where those bad? No, you want people to be in line on foundational topics.

But if you start to manipulate these opinions on the ground level, you’re going to divide people.

Global warming? Is it really that bad? Migrants? Aren’t the stealing our jobs? LGBTQ+? Aren’t they just harassing our kids and women? Hitler? Was he really that bad???

Do you get what I mean? Echo chambers aren’t the problem. They always existed. It’s bad influence that turns everything to shit.

I also hate when people think an echo chamber is something inherently bad. Everything is an echo chamber. Your family, your friends, your local gaming community, your workplace. An echo chamber only becomes a problem when bad actors take control.

Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, or even Google. They give a shit about your wellbeing, as long as they profit.

Echo chambers are okay, no even necessary to stay mentally sane, as long as people share their honest takes without large scale agendas and manipulation.

Europeans don’t like Nazis.

I wish this was true.

Greetings from Austria, where a far right party is the strongest, although not ruling (yet)