i am more than willing to engage on any positive claim you want to make (i probably agree with a lot of them). what i’m not willing to do is tolerate personal attacks and dogpiling.

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have you ever seen skullxdcc.com ?

no one is raping livestock

the vast majority of male dairy calves are brought to full weight before slaughter. practically none of them end up as veal.

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Reddit doesn’t require email either.

impossible, if there are no states

no militaries, no laws, no states

in the absence of necessity, intentionally confining, harming and killing animals

almost no one does that, whether they are vegan or not

there are three categories: moral duty, amoral, and immoral. if we can’t agree on that, you are not qualified to discuss morality.

i explained my reasoning. it’s not a moral duty. it’s not immoral. it’s amoral.

what Ive said is all true. if you disagree, explain why.

not true for larger or smaller values of 2

that’s not what I said

there is no ethical duty to be vegan. so not being vegan is a valid choice. the choice to be vegan is amoral.

I thought you were saying an ethical argument could be made for both being vegan and not being vegan

right. that’s not the same as saying one is more ethical.

your explanation for how being non-vegan can be more ethical than being vegan

boy, that’s not what i said.

any topic, so long as I don’t need to commit to a positive claim. if someone else is willing to construct an argument, I can attack the premises.

most people don’t abuse animals