Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]

That doesn’t mean I think it’s good.

It’s a state formed as a result of an anti-colonial movement fighting for liberation against your empire. Your empire killed millions of its people, destroyed what they had, and currently maintains a genocidal blockade against it.
Despite all that, it manages to hang on, and, considering the harrassment and assault from your empire, it also manages to provide its people with much better living standards than what one would expect from many states that you do not complain about (and which are not targets of the same sort of blockades). Also, you just plain haven’t even brought up any wrongdoings that the DPRK has supposedly done.

Overall, I would say that that does make the DPRK fairly good as far as states go.

And obviously false memes like the OP don’t convince me that there is any sincerity in its defenders.

Either you are unfamiliar with the resolution in question and are assuming that the OP lied (without you double-checking), or you know that the OP didn’t lie and are trying to engage in spreading your genocidal empire’s false propaganda.

What is it with people desperately trying to demonise the DPRK as if you you weren’t fed obvious lies since you were born?

The populace of Taiwan need to consent to being governed by the PRC, and currently support for one China in Taiwan is very low, based on what I’ve read.

The state that currently rules Taiwan engaged in white terror and killed dissidents. The population of Taiwan obviously did not consent to that, but you accept their rule just fine. So, you are inconsistent.

Furthermore, that state is a collaborator for the most evil polity in the world - NATO. That means that the considerations of their population’s wants are secondary to stopping the horrors that NATO has been inflicting upon the world.

Stalin’s government tremendously improved the living standards of people in its territory, and compares favourably to almost all (if not all) European leaderships of 20th and 21st centuries (including European settler-colonies, but those are even more obviously awful). I’d say that he wasn’t ‘shitty’.

Preventing Hungary from participating in colonialism, including by invading Iraq and Afghanistan, is not some sort of oppression that you try to imply it to be.

Wait, doesn’t the airpod completely mistranslate and misreprestent the thing that it heard in this format usually?

No, what it does here is noise cancellation.

Anarchist systems do not require hierarchy.

How do you intend on defending against a NATO invasion without a hierarchically-organised military?
Similarly, how do you intend on resisting NATO espionage and sabotage?

Pretty sure manipulating people is bad.

Influencing people to hold beliefs like ‘nazis bad, colonialism bad, transphobia bad’ is good, actually.

they invaded chechnia

Chechnya was a part of Russia. Russia fought separatists. With NATO’s approval. The part of the Russian government that supported the Chechen separatists was shelled by pro-NATO forces’ tanks.
Also, if you support the Chechen separatists and think that Russia invaded Chechnya, then you should also support the pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine.

and georgia

Georgia attacked South Ossetian separatists and peacekeepers. Russia responded. As a result of this conflict, the only territory that Russia got was South Ossetia, and the human price of this conflict is very small compared to the atrocities that NATO commits regularly.

As a response other neighbouring countries were like “fuck that” and joined NATO for their own security

Which ‘neighbouring countries’ did that? And how would any of that justify joining the most evil polity in the world?
The vast majority of Russia’s neighbours didn’t have military-related issues with Russia. Only Georgia - which was even the de jure aggressor, - and Ukraine - which experienced a coup, with the resulting government immediately trying to bring weapons to the border with Russia’s most populated areas.

russia interprets that as aggressive nato expansion

NATO did promise to not expand past Berlin. This promise has been broken time and time again.
Furthermore, NATO is the most evil polity in the world, and the most prolific invader. The rest of the world has every right to defend itself against it, and its allies do not get to appeal to a moral right to any sort of defense.

nato propaganda is “we need to send tons of arms so ukrainians can defend their country”

Also, ‘we need to do a coup in Ukraine’.
Also, ‘we need to invade Iraq because reasons’.
Also, ‘we need to invade Afghanistan because reasons’.
Also, ‘we need to invade Iran because reasons’.
Also, ‘we need to do a Lebensraum in Palestine because reasons’.
And so on, and so forth.
The ‘Russia bad’ sort of propaganda pales in comparison to that, actually, but it is still used to justify NATO’s hegemony over the world.

ukraine - a country with a gdp of 42 billion $ in 2014 took up soo much debt it could never repay it after the war.

And NATO (along with pro-NATO anti-communists in Ukraine and Russia)

it´s gonna privatize all assets

The unpopular privatisation of assets was already underway by 2022, even if we exclude the 1990s that severely damaged the living standards in Ukraine.

my point still stands: russia is spreading misinfo like crazy and OP keeps reposting it.

NATO has been spreading misinformation much more aggressively, to the point of most people in English-speaking places being convinced that NATO and the Ukrainian nazi state are somehow on the right side of history here.

the regular worker just doesn´t want to get bombed or get caught in crossfire. the war must end no matter the outcome or which side has to make which concessions.

Okay, so how can Russia unilaterally stop NATO’s aggression without a military action that you condemn so much?

Also, still not seeing any condemnation of NATO, NATO’s disinformation campaigns, or an actual valid alternative for Russia.

Ok. Prove me wrong. Go ahead and criticise NATO’s disinformation the way you do with Russia. Also, if you are against Russia’s actions in Ukraine, provide a valid alternative response to NATO’s aggression against Russia.

who said i don´t oppose?

You are literally trying to engage in propaganda in favour of the most prolific invader in the world - NATO.
Let’s be honest, you do not condemn NATO, you do not bring up NATO everywhere you can the way you do with Russia, and you do want to be a beneficiary of its colonial atrocities.

if i say “russia is bad” i´m not implying “NATO is good”

99.97% of the time, that’s exactly what you (plural) do. If you are an exception, then I welcome you to prove me wrong.

is everything black and white in your world?

My world is a lot less monochrome than the world of people who go ‘Russia bad! Everything that contradicts NATO’s propaganda is Russian disinfo! Russia should roll over and die for my empire!’

that´s the narrative used to invade a country.

You are fine with invasions. You never condemn things like invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Iran, etc.

lemmy is filled with pure russian disinfo posts

Case in point for the meme.
You automatically assume that whatever contradicts the narrative of the ‘Iraq has WMDs’ people is false. No regard for any of the actual facts.

stop defending war mongering countries. stop defending imperialism.

You are the one defending NATO, though.

The statement is basically ‘we oppose Netanyahu, but we are fine with the Lebensraum genocide in general’.

Going to again note that so long as you do not produce an explanation for what Russia should have done, your claims have no basis.
Considering that you have been unable to do so, we can conclude that you do not have any actual problems with relevant actions taken by Russia.
This is further supported by the fact that you have been caught either lying or being confidently wrong basically every time you tried to assert anything.

How long has Putin been in power now?

For about as long as Merkel was in power in Germany which you are completely fine with.

Going to note that this question isn’t relevant here, especially considering that you obviously do not judge Russia by the same standards that you apply to Ukraine and the rest of NATO.

Not Cowbee, but I want to push back on some more of your what you are trying to imply.

Why do you believe that is an excuse for war

The rest of the world has every right to defend itself against NATO, including when NATO tries to put troops and weapons near highly populated non-NATO-controlled areas, especially when NATO conducts terror attacks.

but Russian interference in the Ukrainian state (to the point that their president was a Russian puppet), was acceptable?

Firstly, what is your evidence for this Russian interference to the point that the president was a Russian puppet?
Secondly, this is at the very least less bad than NATO’s interference and subjugation of Ukraine at least on the basis of NATO being by far the most evil polity in the world, complete with conduction of at least one current genocide. (EDIT: And you are yet to present an alternative course of action for Russia, despite being repeatedly prompted to, and despite the fact that your claims have no basis if there wasn’t any other serious option for Russia.)

Going to note that you didn’t dispute anything of what I brought up (and you did not even acknowledge the fact that you have been supporting Ukraine invading Iraq), but just decided to make a personal attack against me. This is despite you being shown to not have a good understanding of history and of current events that you speak confidently about.

Tankies gonna tank.

People who literally support their tanks crushing independence of countries in Africa, Asia, and the Americas sure do love to say that to people who oppose colonialism and nazis, as if that is somehow bad. All while not being able to refute any of the ‘tankies’ claims. The word ‘tankie’ just means ‘a person who is correct’.

Going to briefly elaborate on the USSR, though: off the top of my head, the USSR not only successfully resisted the Lebensraum and put an end to the Holocaust, it also aided the liberation movements in Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Mozambique, Angola, Afghanistan, etc., and the USSR improved lives domestically with things like guaranteed housing, guaranteed access to education and elimination of illiteracy, guaranteed access to healthcare, world’s first achievements in the sort of women’s rights that we take for granted today, 60% increase to life expectancy (relative to the pre-WW1 statistics) in the first 30 years of its existence, elimination of famines that were common in the Russian Empire, and so on.

You don’t really have an argument for why the USSR was supposedly bad, and it’s time to admit that to yourself.

Going to note right away that you are yet to explain what Russia should have done according to you.

Also, going to again note the fact that you are weirdly concerned for the success of a literal nazi government that has banned opposition and does not hold elections (while talking about how democratic the relevant astroturfed movement was) and which wants to plunder the rest of the world together with the rest of NATO, than you are for the right of the rest of the world to defend itself against said plundering. You have even implied that Syria should not have defended itself against you, to boot.

There needs to be evidence of NATO aggression against Russia for me to actually try to defend it

NATO did a coup in Ukraine (not sure how you are going to deny this, as there is already evidence of the US picking and choosing who will get what position in the post-coup government, as well as bragging about spending billions on subjugating Ukraine), then the puppet regime in Ukraine attempted to bring NATO troops and weapons near the border with Russia’s most populated areas.
When the most prolific invader in the world does that, that is an obvious act of aggression, especially when they also engage in terror attacks.

There is also the fact that NATO is, as I keep mentioning, the most prolific invader in the world that is engaging in at least one high-profile genocide and must be fought against (unless you also think that Germany and the rest of the Axis should have been allowed to complete the Holocaust and the Lebensraum and to not answer for their other acts of colonialism).

So you believe western volunteers are mercenaries?

You can call the SS auxiliary troops whatever you want.

What would you call Russian prison battalions, kidnapped indian students and north Korean regulars?

Not sure how the former are relevant, not sure why the latter are an issue, considering that they are not mercenaries and that they are/were on the right side of this conflict.
Source your claim about the ‘kidnapped Indian students’ somehow being involved.

Do you know how tiny 100km² is in comparison to the entire of Ukraine?

Hahaha.
So, let’s get this straight - you think that states engage in warfare until they lose all territory?
This argument is especially silly, considering that Kursk oblast is much smaller than 100 km^2, and is a much, much smaller part of Russia than 100 km^2 area is a part of Ukraine. And yet, you brought up Kursk as some sort of an argument for Russia losing.

The reality of the war is a sparsely guarded Frontline across hundred of kms of empty land that frequently changes hands.

Sure, if by ‘frequently changes hands’ you mean ‘Ukraine is losing this territory and fails to retake it’.

Ukraine also still holds land in Kursk according to current osint.

5 m^2 of land? Haha.