TL; DR;

• Using bad analogies to explain things that are already confusing helps no-one
• AI is currently a marketing term used to push LLM’s
• Tools used appropriately garner satisfactory results.

people need to specify that they’re against generative LLMs, like Chat-bots or slop-generators, not “all AI”.

I agree, how does throwing out bad comparisons relate to that ?

There was just a thread on Twitter where a company showcased an amazing tool for animators - where you, for example, prepare your walking/sitting/standing animations, but then instead of motion-capturing or manually setting the scene up, you just define two keyframes - the starting and the ending position of the character… and then their AI picks the appropriate animations, merges between them and animates the character walking from one position to the other.

It’s a phenomenal tool for creatives, but because the term “AI” appeared, the company got shat on by random people.

if you are talking about cascadeur or something similar, that doesn’t use an LLM afaict, it’s based on ML Trained on their own internal data (or so they say).

I don’t disagree that tools used in a way that plays to their strength are useful.

People are often conflating AI with LLM’s, which makes sense for the average person, because that’s how it’s been marketed and sold.

LLM’s aren’t even really AI but here we are.

No. All generative graphical slop AIs and generic chat-bot LLMs have been trained on large corpus of data that has been obtained by various sketchy and illegitimate means.

I was very specific in my wording, but as i said, i could be wrong, if you can point to any big commercial LLM’s that don’t adhere to my classification i will concede the point.

THAT’S the major difference.

I mean, yes, that’s what i said.

So i stand my my conclusion that in the context you laid out, Photoshop isn’t a good comparison to most, if not all of the current tools that would be considered AI.

So, he basically says something that directly contradicts what you’re saying - he prefers the generative slop machines, than tools that actually help developers or artists.

I could be wrong but half of that statement was sarcasm.

I basically read it as:

So I’m gonna execute the code of someone who doesn’t know the first thing about coding on my computer? Great! I’d rather have AI art and human code.

Running code someone vibed up without understanding what it’s doing, it stupid If i had to pick one way around or the other, I’d rather have AI art(which is this case is significantly less of a security risk) and human code (which should potentially be of a higher quality)

I think the fundamental misunderstanding here is how the term AI is used.

None of these things are really intelligent and LLM’s are predictive semi-hallucination machines cobbling together best guesses at what’s supposed to come next in the sequence.

The way i personally see it is that the latest gen “AI” stuff is basically sitting on LLM’s in some capacity. Area recognition, language, image/code generation etc.

Anything else is just normal(perhaps smart) tools, using algorithms of some kind, ML etc

Weak comparisons help no-one, photoshop is nothing like LLM’s

All of the big commercial LLM’s (without exception afaik) have been trained on a large corpus of data that has been obtained by various sketchy and illegitimate means. (some legitimate as well).

That’s the major difference between the two.

If you are using a model that has only been trained on legally obtained data, disregard this point.

I’m not even against competent tool use of LLM’s but please use better arguments.

Pointing out potential hypocrisy isn’t homophobic, that you think it is, says a lot more about you than them.

@mods The rest of this chain was offensive, but this comment consisting solely of a personal attack is not ?

That is my matrix username

Ah, makes sense.

I respond to a someone probably exploring communism asking about a term with an emphasis on the deleting of certain posts spreading misinformation, which might miss guide the person asking the question into some kind of vaushist “leftism” or turn them off from exploring marxism. The specific posts spreading misinformation are claiming a very accusatory claim used by western imperialists to make a government look bad, which in a less fortunate country that is just developing, could be the result of support for a coup to put in a puppet government. Whether you support that claim which is objectively false (https://tankie.tube/w/p/kFZ2joQah4kmt2KSpzPHtb?playlistPosition=6&resume=true <-- is an entertaining starter with sources) is irrelevant when people think these people spreading such disinformation are some kind of heroes.

That also makes sense, mostly, i disagree with some of it on a logical principle level, but i really don’t have a personal horse in any of the political parts i also don’t know/care enough to get one.

All the things you said might be true, they all might be false, though i suspect they’re all subjective enough to be context dependent, i also suspect we aren’t going to agree on the difference between subjective and objective, which is my main disagreement with the statement as a whole.

My main point was, there were answers that are now deleted, that is provably true.

The subjective accuracy of those answers isn’t really the point and no claim was made on that aspect.

Also, the implied /s for “mysterious” didn’t land and that’s on me.

I suppose i could have just gone with.

“I didn’t say or do any of those things, but if imaginary persecution is your thing, who am i to judge?”

That is actually much better, thanks.

Also, you know you can just stop reading part way through? that’s allowed

If you don’t like reading something, just stop, problem solved, no need to continue torturing yourself, everybody wins.

@Williama:Genzedong

I’m not sure what this means, is this a reference i’m supposed to know?

Come on lib send me the Tiananmen Square video of tanks doing the things you claim they do. @Williama:Genzedong

Not sure if this is aimed at me, but i haven’t claimed anything to do with tanks, at any point, ever.

Some answers haven’t “disappeared for mysterious reasons”,

That’s fair , i meant “mysterious reasons” in a less factual and more sarcasm way, but i can see how that might have not come across.

it’s for spreading misinformation.

That’s subjective, which is what that whole thread is about no?

I wasn’t really emphasizing the subjectivity of the claims, as much as just pointing out that answers had been removed and they might be found in the modlog.

You seem to have a strong opinion on this, i do not.

If you disagree then come on, send me a video of the “horrendous crimes committed by China in Tiananmen Square”

I’m sure you can search for whatever videos you need, i haven’t made any claims i would need to provide video evidence for.

I won’t be providing evidence of positions i haven’t taken or claims i haven’t made, that would be silly.

I fully consent. @Williama:Genzedong.

Still not sure what this reference is.

Surely at least one of the “victims of the massacre” would have recorded something the “ruthless military regime” and their oh so very “despicable acts of massacre”.

See the above section about there being no claims or positions taken.

If you want to imagine i’ve sent you proof of this imaginary claim i’ve made so you can be upset in your imagination , feel free.

If you and other libs are annoyed that the devs are “tankies”, then go back to reddit.

See above re: claims that never happened

edit: damn, that’s a high percentage of sodium for pointing at a thing that provably exists in the modlog.

worth checking the modlog, seems there were answers that have since disappeared for mysterious reasons.

Is that relevant somehow?

Is this situation relevant to that example? Are the people in question changed since the time in which the accusations were made?

Rebranding personal ethics and morals as “a purity test” is disingenuous at best.

If you’re going to take umbridge with someone’s approach at least do it directly instead of this backhanded high horse bullshit.

For now : https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Brother_printers_causing_issues_with_third_party_inks

I have one also so I’m invested in how this plays out.

That a disingenuous reply at best, the choice is clearly “person doesn’t do enough to help your people” vs “person who actively allows great harm to your people”.

The example could probably have done with being gender neutral, but even so.

I’m not sure why you zeroed in on the female part and not the “doesn’t do enough to help your people” part.

I don’t disagree in principle.

Lets take your scenario of not voting for fascist-lite as a means to fight against Full-Fat fascist.

In the current American system ( the greatest and most functional system /s), not voting effectively gives the vote to the eventual victor (that’s reductive but you know what I mean)

Assuming the BigFash win, the choice of inaction would be more impactful than the action of voting for DietFash.

On a relative scale and depending on how you feel about fascism I suppose.

So yes the participation and outcome matter but the effect isn’t always equal.

Inactively participating in the rise of the GrandMasterFash would be the cost of feeling good about not actively voting for the LesserFash.

Ultimately it’s shit choices all around, but that’s the point of the lesser of two evils, right?

Inaction when action is an option is still a choice.

One of the major premises of the trolley problem is the choice.

It’s very specifically a scenario where everything is a choice.

The only way to not choose a scenario option is to not participate at all.

It’s doesnt have to work, it just has to be convincing enough to get the bean counters and/or incompetent/sociopathic upper management to buy in to the idea that they can save money.

Same as always, if the shitstorm created by a decision isn’t immediately devastating or can be incontrovertibly tied to said decision then that’s just BAU.

but the time the shitshow starts playing the preroll trailers the golden parachutes and bonuses have been claimed.

For them, this isn’t broken, this is how the game works.

If you are forced to use “lite” rather than normal ublock origin then you’ve probably already lost this fight because you’re in a browser that forces manifest v3 extensions only.

So you get crippled ad-blockers (by design).