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This wasn’t intended as an attack and I wasn’t trying to be passive aggressive, I was trying to help. As someone struggling to over come life long crippling social anxiety, I’ve been trying to move from being a lurker to actually posting. But it turns out that participating in discussion takes enormously more energy than just lurking, so I did not put in adequate effort into my attempt to help.

I was overwhelmed trying to parse your comment, I’m still terrible at breaking things down into smaller, easier to process pieces, and so all the bundled up errors in your post was too much for me to try and break down and address, but I still wanted to at least try and help.

I was trying to read the rest of your posts in this thread, but I couldn’t get through them all as the way you look down on people hurts my stomach. Please, we mean no hostility, so stop giving us yours. (thank you in advanced)

“Propaganda” “Propagating”, interesting, that makes a lot of sense. As for manipulation, it is a bit of a loaded term, when exposed to new information, one may make a different decision than they otherwise would have, you could say that the exposure to that new information had “manipulated” them, but that wouldn’t make the information necessarily untrue or the “manipulation” as being a “bad thing” (metaphysics territory).

As far as lies go, you don’t need them nor would they even be all that useful when what one advocates for is the truth anyway. (like Scientific Socialism(Marxism Leninism))

Thanks for the mini history lesson by the way.

Thanks BTW, it was reading your posts on lemmy.ml that got me started on this path in the first place, I’d probably still be believing all sorts of absurd lies against Socialist countries if not for you, it has truly opened my mind to an amazing world of both possibilities and a far more hopeful current reality. (that and the depth of the Capitalists crimes against humanity whose true depth I hadn’t known)

Really, I used to live in an utterly hopeless darkness where I thought the only future for humanity was extinction, and it had been eating me up inside, ML Theory enabled me to see the light of humanity, just how beautiful humans can be if given the right conditions, and China has given me astronomically massive hope for the future that I’d still be blind too otherwise.

Thank you, Comrade.

This post is an excellent example of why reading Marxist Leninist Theory should not be treated as optional, there is so much wrong with the post I’m not even sure where to start, and I don’t really have the energy for it either, so unfortunately we’ll just have to leave it at that. (BTW Cowbee has an excellent guide to help you get started Basic and Advanced)

As fiction exists but describes things that may not exist, I think the answer is also yes.

I don’t know about the history of the Church, but I do know that the word has been used for the handing out of legitimate and accurate information on a paper medium as a way of spreading awareness when one is censored by the State and cannot use the normal channels, and it has been used this way for a long long time before the use of it to mean the same as “lies” was popular.

That is an issue, though with that in mind one major difference between Capitalism and Socialism is that Capitalism doesn’t really care if Cops are abusive sacks of shit, so long as they keep serving the interests of Capital, on the other hand, in Socialism the whole point of the system is to best serve the interests and well being of the people in what ever capacity the current level of development of the country can provide, and so while Capitalism let’s Cops fester with power hungry racists, Socialism actively works to root out and remove corruption, finding and kicking out the power abusers.

Don’t worry about it, most Liberals (note Conservatives are also Liberals) have been fed lies their entire lives to demonize countries like China, and also many people (not just Liberals) have a hard time separating the misuse of a tool from the tool itself (Capitalists use AI against humanity) and so for these two reasons I was already expecting to get down voted, but it is perfectly fine as I do not take it personally, when a challenge comes to a persons world view, a common defensive reaction is to lash out in some way.

The “Founding Fathers” (rich slavers) had set up the “Democracy” (of the rich) with “Checks and Balances” to prevent the “Tyranny of the Majority” (Actual Democracy) precisely so the Capitalist Class (them) would remain in complete control. Considering this, it is very unlikely the modern Capitalist Class would somehow not be aware of the ways their own class has set things up to keep themselves on top and the rest of us underfoot. It is much more likely they know exactly what they are doing up on the stage, that all the real decision making is done behind closed doors, that the Billionaires and Trillionaires get the final say, and that the electoral clown show in the big party tent exists to fool the populace, only different from the start in that they got better at it. I remember when Biden straight up looked like he was having an orgasm in response to Trump “winning the election” as if it’s what he wanted to happen, like say, because it would mean they can get everything they want WITHOUT having to hide the shit they do, and so Trump also functions as a scapegoat, if they get everything the want to just “cast all the blame on Trump” Trump goes off to live in blood soaked luxury, having done his job, then the Democrats swoop in to “save the day”. Such a tactic can only work however if people fall for the clown show and don’t realize that it is the entire Capitalist system itself that is the problem and the only way forward is to overthrow it and replace it with a Socialist system.

The “upvote on own post by default” makes me feel awkward, maybe I’m just weird.

Edit: Ok, I’m going to stop being silly about this and leave my posts at default. Also for some reason I can only load your comment via the alerts/notification thingy in Lemmy.ml

My impression of Anarchists is one who is unable to separate the use of power (authority) from the misuse of it under Capitalism to oppress and exploit the masses as the result of trauma from experiencing this oppression (including indirectly by seeing it used on others while having empathy) and so making it psychologically difficult to confront this error in understanding the nature of power and it’s necessity to suppress the Capitalists once the Revolution succeeds so that a counter revolution doesn’t just take it all away again. That, and also often still having a lot of views of past and current Socialist countries that is in line with CIA/MI6/MOSSAD misinformation about them.

Edit: Even though Russia has gotten “Shock Doctrine” 'd into a Capitalist system (at an enormous cost to life) their position is in opposition to the Capitalist Imperialist Hegemony of the “Core Countries” (Global North) as they have been preparing to carve up Russia for them selves since the USSR was destroyed, forcing Russia to fight back, this makes Russia’s position Revolutionary (Revolution is relative, Capitalism overthrowing Feudalism is an example of a Revolution, where as Capitalist Imperialism overthrowing anything is more akin to a predator killing it’s prey and eating it’s corpse.) as well as Anti Imperialist, this is why there is so much “news” that has tried to paint the Azov Kiev Regime of the Euromaiden Color-Revolution as “legitimate” and “heroic” while also demonizing Russia, misrepresenting Putin, and spreading racism such as calling Russians “orcs”. Communists talk of “Critical Support” for Russia in acknowledgement of the fact that they are Capitalists (but not Imperialists) while also understanding that right now, they are on the right side of history as they’re fighting against the Global Capitalist Imperialist Hegemony of the Global North.

That is why I’ve started using Deepseek as a replacement for searches, the proven tract record and successes of the Communist Party of China to improve people’s lives make tech out of China OVERWHELMINGLY more trust worthy then tech out of the blood soaked Capitalist Imperialist threat to all humanity that is the US ruling class (and those who currently serve them) (and the US itself for as long as it hasn’t yet overthrown the Capitalists (basically the Billionaires, and now also a F**king Trillionare.)) (it’s almost like I’m writing code lol, I should try to make my writing style more consistent or something)

It wont just magically happen on it’s own, if we only wait for it we are more likely to see the inside of a US death camp as the Capitalist rulling class is getting scared and desperate and have been laying the foundation for the people to be moved further into Fascism for a long time. It is possible only with our willingness to organise together within one or more (cooperating) Revolutionary Parties to learn and use Marxist Leninist Theory to slowly awaken Class Consciousness within the population and prepare the way for a successful Revolution supported by the newly awakened masses. This has succeeded many times already, even though the USSR unfortunately collapsed, Cuba, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Vietnam, Laos, and the People’s Republic of China are still standing against all the Capitalist Imperialist hostile odds, and China in particularly is more technologically and scientifically advanced then the US by now, and have provided enormous improvement to the lives of everyone they get involved with. It is why the Capitalist Imperialist “Core Countries” (Global North) are so desperate to smear them with endless lies and nonsense not based in reality or evidence, and the CIA/MI6/MOSSAD assert their control and spread such misinformation via “news” (Propaganda is basically just another name for this give or take), Hollywood, Social Media AI bots, Youtube algorithmic control, and even our very Video Games (do people believe Call of Duty is politically neutral).

With all of that they shape our very view of reality to make us support things against our own interests, and to avoid learning anything real about the countries that threaten Capital.

Edit: I was a little confusing about the point on propaganda, I mean that it is more or less another word for news, mostly involving the handing out of pamflets or leaflets, it has been twisted into being the same as saying “misinformation” very likely as a way of discrediting bottom up, glass roots style movements (what the working class has access to as a way of communicating among the populace) while leaving the Capitalists corporate “news” reputationally intact.

If you seriously support having a Revolution in the US then reading Theory is not optional, there are errors upon errors upon errors that people inevitably fall into if they do not have a correct understanding of the world, it’s history, and how society, economy, the state, Capitalism and so on actually work, which kills a Revolution and result in horrible failure. Cowbee (I think, or maybe it was yogthot or how ever the name is spelt) has a good beginners reading list you can work through, at the least you should read works by Marx, Engels, and Lenin at a minimum.

In order to effectively break the system you need organized Revolution, and for that it must be supported by the masses, and for mass support it must help people, meaning the Revolution must be building something like a state within itself to support it’s own Revolution, so when it is big enough, when it finally has overthrown the Capitalists, it will already be prepared to take over as a governing body. The only chaos then is in the Revolution itself, but a small moment of bloody violence in plane sight is nothing compared to the massive death, destruction, torture and despair, that the system does constantly out of sight, hidden away (as much as it even can hide it), that the small by comparison but more in sight and quicker violence of a Revolution which will finally end it.

Just to be clear, Cops being bad is not an inherent property of them in and of itself, but rather Cops serve the State, and in a Capitalist country, the State serves Capital, and so the Cops also serve Capital, but in a Socialist country, such as China, the Cops are completely different as the State actually serves the interest of the overall masses, and so the Cops also by extension.

Democrats and Republicans aren’t actually against each other, they pretend to be two different parties as it is an effective psy-op to keep the populace believing in a Reformist path to change, so we do not pursue a Revolutionary path instead. As long as the populace continues to believe a Reformist path (like voting) is able to save them, the Capitalists can continue doing what ever they want, only Revolution can save us (IE we must save ourselves by overthrowing the Capitalists), and only once the people in general realize this, can Revolution actually succeed. It is also why we must keep pointing out to people how the system is rigged against us, how as long as we live in Capitalism Democracy is a lie and the oppression and exploitation and U.S. bombings will continue.

In Capitalist countries authority is used to oppress the masses and protect exploitation, in Socialist countries it is used to oppress the Capitalists (who don’t just disappear the second the revolution succeeds), the CIA invented “Authoritarian” as a way of demonizing Socialist countries by drawing attention to how it suppresses the class enemy of the working class rather then who is suppressed and for who’s benefit. A State is needed for as long as class antagonism exists, which itself will exist as long as class itself exists, which itself will exist so long as the material conditions for classes exist, which will exist until global communism is achieved. Until then, a State is needed to protect the success of the revolution, which is “Authoritarian”, along with your brain telling your body to get up in the morning, the bullet from a gun used against fascists who do the same to you, or even missiles used to deter the U.S. from bombing the shit out of you which they have done before and would do again. TL:DR “Authoritarianism” isn’t a thing.