Ever heard of the ethnic cleansing of the Donbas? The fact that the UKR regime’s attempt at a Holocaust was stopped at “only” a few thousand ethnic Russians does not make them magically not Nazis, nor does it change the perscription.
That’s the thing: we will never know how bad the Donbas war would have gotten if the Russia-Ukraine war hadn’t kicked off. it completely changed the situation for everybody. If, for example, China had invaded the Zionist entity on October 9th 2023 and taken all the zionist’s military resources away from targeting Palestinians, we could make the exact same argument because we wouldn’t know how bad it would have gotten. Of course, we live in the world where we’ve now had three years to see exactly why other countries should have attacked Israel on October 9th. So, so many people would still be alive.
There aren’t many alternatives worse than full scale war. Possibly a large scale genocide that then becomes a war, but this “what if” calculation can split both ways.
Also let’s be real, noble intentions are not what states operate on. That’s the justification used to get someone like yourself on board with the violent invasion and theft of a sovereign country.
Actually I’m comparing world war 2, when a nazi army marched east through Ukraine to visit unspeakable racialized violence upon Russian people, to the Ukraine war, when a nazi army drove east through Ukraine to visit unspeakable racialized violence upon Russian peole.
The invasion of Iraq started in the early 00s.
Ukraine had troops in Syria, helping DAESH at least in 2024.
NATO’s current invasion of Iran (which Ukraine participates in) started early this year.
If you actually opposed invasions, you would have called for Ukraine to be punished.
You don’t need to convinced me that Ukraine is not innocent in any capacity. Hell, you can even punish and deter in some capacities. You are not going to convince me those crimes amount to the need to have a full scale irridentist invasion that has killed so many people in both countries.
So, what should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world starts to amass weapons and troops on that state’s border?
Also, I can’t help but notice that you still use the “FULL SCALE INVASION” propaganda that the people that sold you on Iraq’s WMDs want you to regurgitate.
So, responding to NATO’s aggression is the same as NATO constantly invading everywhere?
Also, again, the “FULL SCALE INVASION” is very obvious pro-NATO propaganda.
Going to ask my question again, since I did not get an answer:
what should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world starts to amass weapons and troops on that state’s border?
I wish I knew as little as you about world events. Iran had a fatwa against nuclear weapons the idea of them trying to make them was as true as Iraq having weapons of mass destruction.
Germany was a Nazi state and they got invaded, whats your point
After they started a world war and killed millions. Ever heard of the Holocaust?
Not really a comparison.
Ever heard of the ethnic cleansing of the Donbas? The fact that the UKR regime’s attempt at a Holocaust was stopped at “only” a few thousand ethnic Russians does not make them magically not Nazis, nor does it change the perscription.
How many ethnic Russians have died in this war? I bet it’s more than a few thousand.
How many ethnic Russian-Ukrainians died before 2022?
It was around 14 thousand and and it started in 2014. History did not start in 2022.
Still way less than the war
That’s the thing: we will never know how bad the Donbas war would have gotten if the Russia-Ukraine war hadn’t kicked off. it completely changed the situation for everybody. If, for example, China had invaded the Zionist entity on October 9th 2023 and taken all the zionist’s military resources away from targeting Palestinians, we could make the exact same argument because we wouldn’t know how bad it would have gotten. Of course, we live in the world where we’ve now had three years to see exactly why other countries should have attacked Israel on October 9th. So, so many people would still be alive.
There aren’t many alternatives worse than full scale war. Possibly a large scale genocide that then becomes a war, but this “what if” calculation can split both ways.
Also let’s be real, noble intentions are not what states operate on. That’s the justification used to get someone like yourself on board with the violent invasion and theft of a sovereign country.
It is nonetheless cometely different than the juatification against Nazi Germany you made.
And the fact that you are doubleing down on that bad comparision shows how your post has seen any seld reflection.
Again, comparing WW2 against the attack of russia agains ukrain.
Actually I’m comparing world war 2, when a nazi army marched east through Ukraine to visit unspeakable racialized violence upon Russian people, to the Ukraine war, when a nazi army drove east through Ukraine to visit unspeakable racialized violence upon Russian peole.
After they invaded many other nations beforehand?
Ukraine has also invaded Iraq, Syria, and Iran, and you are perfectly fine with that.
??? When?
The invasion of Iraq started in the early 00s.
Ukraine had troops in Syria, helping DAESH at least in 2024.
NATO’s current invasion of Iran (which Ukraine participates in) started early this year.
If you actually opposed invasions, you would have called for Ukraine to be punished.
TIL they had 6000 troops in the Iraq invasion.
You don’t need to convinced me that Ukraine is not innocent in any capacity. Hell, you can even punish and deter in some capacities. You are not going to convince me those crimes amount to the need to have a full scale irridentist invasion that has killed so many people in both countries.
So, what should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world starts to amass weapons and troops on that state’s border?
Also, I can’t help but notice that you still use the “FULL SCALE INVASION” propaganda that the people that sold you on Iraq’s WMDs want you to regurgitate.
The US and Ukraine are different countries?
Also is it not? Russia is doing America shit.
The latter is a de facto subject of the former.
So, responding to NATO’s aggression is the same as NATO constantly invading everywhere?
Also, again, the “FULL SCALE INVASION” is very obvious pro-NATO propaganda.
Going to ask my question again, since I did not get an answer:
what should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world starts to amass weapons and troops on that state’s border?
Good, so we agree that simply being invaded does not suddenly put a government on the right side of history.
There’s a bit of a difference between a punch to the face and a punch to the face in return. Or are we going to pretend these are the same thing?
We’re not talking about a bar fight dude, we’re talking about eight years of ethnic cleansing and the threat of being nuked within minutes.
I hear the best way to prevent being nuked is turning a cold war into a hot war.
The best way to avoid being nuked is to ensure those interested in nuking you don’t have first strike capabilities no matter the cost.
I did not expect to find a supporter of the US bombing of Iran in this discussion.
I wish I knew as little as you about world events. Iran had a fatwa against nuclear weapons the idea of them trying to make them was as true as Iraq having weapons of mass destruction.