cross-posted from: https://linux.community/post/4052877

don’t give me the it’s never too late bs. Life happens, people have jobs, debts and rent to pay.

Going back to school when you’re employed means debt, earning way less or nothing during your bachelor or master, stress, opportunities you’re not aware of because you’re simply not at your workplace anymore, unpaid overtime during those 2 to 3 years… the money you lose is more than what the bachelor / accreditation costs.

When does it start being a stupid idea? Is it when you’re 30? 40? 50?

  • BotsRuinedEverything@lemmy.world
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    Going back to school isn’t an age thing. It’s a self sufficiency thing. Don’t need to work because someone is supporting you or you have enough money to live off of? School is for you. Living paycheck to paycheck? Keep working.

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    Depends what the goal is, and what your responsibilities are.

    If you want to learn, the upper limit is literally just defined by remaining health. I’m pretty sure seniors can audit for free at least some places.

    If the goal is to make more money, it depends what you’re already making, your chance of successfully graduating, and how much you’d make in your new job. A simple equation that’s close enough, but not totally correct would be something like: (new salary - old salary)*working years/probability of failure - (tuition + old salary)*expected time in school

    If it’s to have a job you like more, it’s hard to quantify and will be a pure judgement call.

    If you’re still working age it’s realistically going to be a mix of all three. I’m also not sure how having kids would factor in, exactly.

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    Literally all of the arguments in this post apply equally to people freshly out of high school, except that most of them won’t have well-paying jobs already. But then again, if an adult has a well-paying job why are they thinking about going back to school?

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    Depends on why you’re going TBH. If you just want to learn things before you die, it’s literally never too late.

    If you’re looking for a purely financial payout though, there is a lot of math and it’s going to be hyper specific to your situation. First, you need to consider the total cost of going back. Not just books and tuition but lost income if you’re not working full time as you go to school. If you’re still working during school, don’t forget to factor in the free time that you’re burning and added costs (both social and financial ) to being busy all of the time. Want to fix your car yourself and save a few bucks, hope it can wait until spring break.

    Next, you have to compare that to the amount of money you personally would likely make above your current trajectory. Don’t forget to factor in your chances of actually getting that job in your field. I have a friend with an English degree who sells insurance for a company that would absolutely have hired them with an associates or maybe even just a HS diploma. A co-worker of mine has a bachelor’s and makes the exact money as I do with my associates.

    I don’t mean to sound down on college. My wife is a college professor and I honestly believe that for most people, a four year degree is a huge benefit in their career and personal life. Personally, I think the fact that we’ve turned the college experience into purely financial decision for most of the coming generations is a scathing indictment of our society. That being said, there are a lot of cases where it doesn’t pay off financially.

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    Honestly never. The problem is that if you have other stuff in your life that takes priority, like a family, you might not pull your weight OR you might not understand how to manage time. This can happen to people of any ages; kids with family issues or disruption in their home life see a dip in school performance, for instance.

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    If your talking full degrees im not sure I would have gotten one if I had been ten years younger even after high school. The cost/return is iffy. Certs and associates still seem like they can be worth it and if you can get a free ride well then yeah. I don’t think general age matters as much as financial situation.

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    I’m siding with a lot of the other commenters on here, there’s more ways to learn stuff than going back to school; even cheap or in some cases free classes both online and in person are a thing for instance.

    The one exception to that claim is anything that’s regulated in some way/needs a license, eg. driving a semi (need a CDL for that), going into the HVAC business (need a license to handle refrigerants), etc, those you need to go to school for, but things which aren’t subject to government regulations on some level can be learned with a free or cheap course.

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    I’ve noticed that at 50 it’s harder to absorb data heavy stuff. Memorization isn’t what it used to be. Doesn’t make anything impossible, but…

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    Schooling isn’t that important anymore. But you should never stop learning. When you stop you die - or slowly rot away.
    You do not need fancy schools to learn new things. They only give you some random piece of paper.
    There are countless ways to learn new things on the internet. Free udemy courses, youtube tutorials or even paid tutoring lessons and apps to learn new languages.
    You could even buy paid college courses online and fo it at your leisure.
    Or just visit couple courses for some small $.

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      You do not need fancy schools to learn new things.

      The one exception to that as I pointed out in my comment, are fields which are subject to regulations and actually do need formal training and licensing, like, as I also pointed out, you’re not getting a CDL through a free course if you want to get into driving semis, for example.

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        If you need the paper, then you don’t have a choice. So it makes it never late to start.
        If you want a CDL there are places that for a contract will train you. There are other places like that in other areas.

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    I get your point about full time school which may require 2-3 years without income (even though in some countries you may keep your unemployment rights). But often, especially for shorter degrees, there is options in evening classes, whith less hours (sometimes at the price of a longer time) some would even give you real degree. Moreover, if unemployed, sometimes a 6 month training can give you the basis to be hired, either in a manual job, or to fix a missing skill on your CV

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    There’s a famous story about Isaac Asimov’s mother Anna Asimov. It’s in one of Isaac’s many autobiographies. Anna and her husband Judah Asimov immigrated to the US from Russia around 1920 and worked very hard operating a candy store in New York while raising Isaac and his siblings. Isaac eventually became a famous author. After Isaac’s parents were finally able to retire, Anna (still with her Russian accent and not-so-great English after all those years) decided to take a creative writing class at the local college. The stories she handed in had grammar and spelling errors like you’d expect, but they had inventive plots, interesting characters, and so on.

    At the end of the semester, the instructor complimented her on her work, and asked her if she was related to Isaac Asimov, who by then was quite well known. “Yes, he is my dear son”, she replied. “Oh! No wonder you’re such a good writer”, the instructor said. “No”, responded Anna, “you mean, no wonder he’s such a good writer.”

    Anyway, it’s never too late. I’ll see myself out.

  • It depends.

    If you’re old and wealthy, doing it for the education, not for the income, then it’s never too late. If you’re not, then spreadsheet it. Calculate expected working life and expected income for current career trajectory, and compare with expected working life after education and expected income for new career minus full cost of further education including lost income while studying.

    Or if your current works options suck, pursue further education so you can do something that doesn’t suck as long as it won’t leave you much worse off by retirement.

    The calculations will be different for every person.

    Remember any calculations and expectations will change over time, especially with the advent of AI. So do the calculations, then follow your heart. There’s no guarantees.

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    My mom was a stay at home parent for all of my life. In her early 50s, she ended up going to college in order to become a nurse. Been over 10 years now and she’s still a nurse.

    I would say it’s only ever really too late if you’re beyond working age or nearly there. Because at that point you’re no longer working toward a career.

    The real issue is whether or not you have finances and a support system to get you there.

    In my mom’s case, she had a husband who already was the only breadwinner anyway, so it didn’t cause much of a financial impact per se. My mom ended up taking out student loans like everyone else, of course, but student loans are seen much more favorably than credit card debt.

    I have a friend who is going back to college right now in order to get a better job. In their scenario, their parent let them move back in while they get an education.

    I ended up eventually going to an intensive grad school where many of us had to move and we also did not have time to work during the program. There, I met plenty of people who already married, already had careers, etc…and yet they still managed to survive and get through the program just fine. (Again, remember we all took out loans lol.)

    Then you hear online about med students having children while going through med school and residency. Sounds like hell, but they manage to do it.

    But also, the career you seek should be worth it. Don’t go back to school to do one of those dumb “ingegrative studies” degree or whichever one they call it when you couldn’t pick a major lmao. Won’t net you anything.

    Similarly, it wouldn’t make sense someone in their 50s to attempt to go to med school. The return on investment is just not there for the amount of effort and loan debt if you consider how many working years you have left. Yet, as I said, it was worth it for my mom to become a nurse because she never worked before and it allowed her to be able to earn a living wage sooner and with less debt. The return on investment for her was greater.

    Point is, I don’t think it’s a matter of “too late”, but rather a matter of…

    1. Life circumstances
    2. The specific career you are working towards