Since people from war-torn nations often flee to Europe where they tend to get all kinds of help and support, I wonder what countries Europeans would/could flee to - and be welcomed by - if there were to be a war engulfing most of Europe?
Any thoughts?
They don’t! And that’s why I made no such statement!
I repeat what I stated in response to somebody else:
I am not interested in a political discussion nor in the overly-common mud-slinging that desperately attempts to label everyone either a hateful nazi or a moronic lefty. I simply wonder where Europeans would flee to, if there were a war that engulfs all of Europe.
Alas, since you seem to be more interested in other discussions: Saying people don’t flee from war to Europe seems highly deceitful in itself. I just looked at the statistics from Germany (which brought me to my question): By mid-2024, there were roughly 3.5 Million refugees in Germany. Over one million of them were from Ukraine. For the whole of the EU, there appear to be almost 7 million refugees from war-torn areas and a total of 13 million refugees in total (includes internally displaced people), and 1.7 million asylum applicants. Those appear to be official numbers and not right-wing talking points. I suppose in your mind, that means that people don’t flee to Europe?
https://www.unhcr.org/europe/europe-figures-glance-2023
https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/zahl-gefluechtete-deutschland-100.html
I’m not sure how your numbers are supposed to counter his argument?
First, Ukrainians are Europeans, so this example falls in the category of refugees going to nearby and culturally similar countries.
Second, you don’t mention the number of refugees within Ukraine, so no comparison can be made and you can’t argue for or against whether only a faction comes to Europe. Please take the effort to share all the relevant nunbers instead of cherry picking.
What’s the population of Germany again?
Oh wait, 83,577,140 - so that’s just over 3% (3.589%)
That’s fuck all. There’s more LGBT people in Germany than that.
It’s fine and dandy to throw around big numbers, but put them in context
And?
You conveniently ignore the stats, in does happen, instead introducing a goalpost move, aka sophistry, in an attempt to “win” an argument, or at least derail OPs point.
That’s not a goalposts move, it’s defining the terms, something op never did
3 million sounds HUGE and Alarming, without the context that it’s 3% of the population, and therefore not huge, or alarming
How dare you bring logic in our conversation? You even attached sources of your information? That it, you done it, I’ll report you!