• valgarf@discuss.tchncs.de
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    11 hours ago

    You are glossing over the fact that Hamas killed and kidnapped Israelian civilians. As far as reasons for war go “We want to free the hostages” is a pretty convincing one. Such a reason did not exist for Ukraine. Also I believe Ukraine is supported by “the West”, that is, a large part of the world does not care about Ukraine.

    Obviously supporting the Israelian genocide in Gaza is stupid. But picking either Israel or Palestine as a side is problematic, especially if you assume Gaza to be controlled by Hamas: Both sides want the complete destruction of their “enemy” (although only one side has the means to actually achieve that). People don’t want to be affiliated with Hamas either.

    The side I would like to pick is the one against nationalism, religious zealots and mindless revenge. If both countries could get rid of the war mongers that continue to pour oil on the fire, the people could actually live in peace.

    Just to be clear: I support a two state solution with a free Palestine and a free Israel coexisting in peace.

    • waterwasamistake@lemmy.zip
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      Meh i agree that the situations aren’t the same but the hostage situation explanation just falls flat on its face as soon as you imagine people in your own country being involved on the side of the terrorists. We would not excuse bombing a whole fucking (white)country because some of them have taken hostages.

      I fully agree that there are objective differences between the two conflicts but racism definetly plays a big part here if not bigger than the actual differences.

    • Starya67@lemmy.world
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      11 hours ago

      Israel literally bombed and killed those hostages. How can anyone still believe this is about freeing hostages.

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        10 hours ago

        Because most people do not follow the news very closely. They learn enough to form an opinion, often against their will, and then try their hardest to pay attention to things that don’t torpedo their mental health.

        I don’t have a source to point at but I think the first trump admin, followed by covid, broke people. There is no good news and no clear action to take to make the bad news stop. So people tune out. Some news slips through with their FYP or whatever but even then what they get is predigested and filtered so that the emotion hits hard and goes away fast. The most popular form of media is designed not to inform, so people are not informed.

    • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
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      10 hours ago

      If both countries could get rid of the war mongers that continue to pour oil on the fire, the people could actually live in peace.

      Just to be clear: I support a two state solution with a free Palestine and a free Israel coexisting in peace.

      Which is somehow a controversial take for many.

    • Cethin@lemmy.zip
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      10 hours ago

      51 comments and 0 posts in 3y3m, and this is what you decide to comment? Hmm…