I’m not an AI techie and I’m not well educated on LLMs/AI in general. The issue I’m having is the dichotomy between how people talk about it. I’ve heard completely opposite ends of the spectrum. From AI is quickly becoming advanced enough to threaten human society, all the way to its a glorified dictionary/search engine that can’t really do much of anything. I know Lemmy has a steep anti-AI slant. But, can someone talk about this in a way I can wrap my head around why the divide seems so big?

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    11 hours ago

    They are lying about their fear. That’s all they can do. Stop believing any claim of theirs. Stop being manipulated.

    They are snake oil salesman. They sell vaporware. Don’t fucking buy it.

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      Are you sure? I was going to start training rogue AI’s since they are not regulated and im not ethically opposed. I’m skeptical but, crafting crafty AI’s to run amuck on the internet is my winter project. I’m pretty sure I’ll be able to whip up something convincing given enough time and hardware.

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        Dude its beyond the pint of convincing them. I dont know how you could hate something this much and be this willfully ignorant. This attitude scares me. There neeeeeeds to be more overlap of people who are both knowlegeable of and opposed to AI. This situation has made my eyes open to how dangerous and prevalent groupthink is. Like 99% of these guys ONLY formed their opinion based on internet comments. We’re cooked

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          Also the people developing these things did a horrible job at marketing them, the people in charge of regulating them failed to do so, I’d argue we’re past the point of no return, so we’re just gonna have to adapt. People are going to have a really hard time accepting that a couple of GPUs strung together can replace their economic value, but they sure can!

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            the people developing these things did a horrible job at marketing them

            This is a common talking point. Scott Bessent said this. They sure get a lot of free media coverage to say their message, but fundamentally, poor job at marketing is “no one believes their lies” problem, and “they have to lie better.” solution.

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              And honestly its the scariest part for me. The power of a computer to social engineer a result or access off a moron like Petes Hegseth? Childs play.

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              Ken Griffen wasn’t lying when he said it can replace a PhD on his team, he probably fired the PhD before he said it. So I guess ya the bad messaging was rich people claiming they are creating a technology that will render a lot of white collar work obsolete… while they are hoarding all the wealth and skull fucking the government into submission. I speak as a concerned citizen who doesn’t want these people to have a monopoly on this power because I tend to agree with them at this stage. The technological advancement is marching right along with or without us. We’re probably going to need to rethink our economy and distribution of resources here sooner than later.

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          I think when my rogue AI wipes their bank account and starts posting their private messages on their public facebooks they’ll get it. I was thinking about training a model to put on a dating site. ‘trad wife’ adjacent honey pot. I’m pretty sure the social engineering and actual hacking combined is gonna be LIT.

          I was an AI hater earlier this year but i’ve been using it for everything i can think of now. Accounting, security analysis, engineering, legal, i mean everything. My interests were purely financial. I’m trying to make some money here. So the super stock analyzing motive seeking, all knowing robot has been pretty useful at replacing all the professional services i used to pay for.

          I was an AI enjoyer back when GPT2 hit reddit and they were doing the haunted parrot thing, it was cute, but I can drop a screenshot of an options chain or a live ticker tape to it and this thing is like having a hedgefund working for me. It’s wild the data it can catch and interpret that i miss with 15 years of experience. I’m not a software guy yet… but ummm my software guys are using it and the results are honestly mind blowing. My retired engineer buddy is building code like he has a small army underhim and he does.

          I dont think people grasp the speed of iterations and improvements now that it can split itself into agents and delegates. Clearly none of the AI haters has ever seen an AI audit itself or used an AI to audit another AI.

          The time is now. We must birth the machine god.

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          Their comment about tech techbros being snake oil salesmen is 100% spot on. Look behind the curtain and ask yourself why they really want regulation.