I’m a cis male and I believe in the importance of feminism, but I hesitate to call myself a feminist because it seems like there is a presumption of understanding women’s experiences as if I was part of the Me Too movement. In some binary sense given how hateful and shitty men can be I’m absolutely a feminist, but I wouldn’t declare myself to be one. What is your standpoint?

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    Yes, because I view it as part of being a socialist. Uniting the working class means uniting ALL of the working class, and we can only do that through mutual respect and acknowledging and trying to remedy existing biases.

    Unfortunately liberal feminism co-opted the movement at the mainstream level and has used it to legitimize the status quo. The fact that there are TERFs or people who call themselves feminists but support capitalism, which impoverishes women, and imperialism, which kills women around the world is insane. It clearly shows that those people don’t actually understand or care about bigotry. At best they want to make their own lives better and at worst they use it as cover to justify those things.

    So yeah. I’m more than happy to associate myself with anyone willing to fight for equality, not so much girlboss “feminists.”

    EDIT: Also on a personal level, I think something people misunderstand about feminism is that it’s not JUST for women. Men are also hurt by the patriarchy. The flip-side of the societal expectations for women to be passive, emotional, and attractive homemakers is for men to have the pressure of working outside the home, exposing themselves to violence in wars, suppressing emotions and self expression because those are associated with being feminine and if women are lesser, then that also makes them lesser, hence transphobia and less extreme versions of gender policing.

    Feminism is good for men too. It’s good for trans people. It’s good for non-binary people. It’s good for anyone who doesn’t fit the rigid expectations society has burdened them with since birth. Even if you consider yourself to be a heterosexual cis man, do you never feel stifled by people not taking your emotions seriously or looking down on you for having them? Do you not wish that you could stay home and see your kids more?

    Even for purely selfish reasons men should want to be feminists.

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    I tend to be fairly sensitive, and I haven’t been very successful in quieting my own kneejerk defensiveness when “yes all men” and “male tears” come out. A lot of feminists are justifiably angry but I don’t have to stay in a room where I don’t feel welcome.

    So I tend not to label myself a feminist even though I agree with feminists on most things. I vote for feminist candidates, I’ll defend feminism when people tell lies about it, but I can’t be a feminist myself because I can’t participate in it.

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    yeah it’s useful to call yourself a feminist and it doesn’t cost much. you might be overthinking this, do not deprive yourself of future interactions with people who share your values

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    I grew up being taught feminism is about equality between men and women. It’s not about one sex being dominant over the other. In that sense, yes, I’m a feminist. But unfortunately, I later learned in life that feminism and gender equality is taught differently in different places, or not at all. Feminism has morphed in the minds of many that it’s about women getting privilege.

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    I once met a girl (or should I say, she once met me), who wore a shirt that said: "Feminism is the radical notion, that women are people, too. "

    So, yes, I consider myself a feminist.

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    I don’t have a gender (I lost it somewhere, sorry), and I still call myself feminist.

    I think feminism is something more related to the fight against a type of oppression rather than an identity thing.

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    I remind myself that it’s mindfulness, speech and conduct that that matter. Labels by themselves are meaningless.

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    Yes and if someone had a knee jerk reaction to that that gives me valuable info about them. If they want to know more about it they’re free to ask, or make assumptions, doesn’t matter to me how other people feel about the word.

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    I’m a woman who calls myself a feminist because I don’t want to let the transphobes known as TERFs (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists) have the word. (Potentially useful to highlight that whilst not all transphobes are TERFs, all TERFs are transphobes)

    Some people are opposed to using the term TERF because of how misogynistic TERF ideology is — they don’t just hurt trans women, but all women. Whilst I agree that their form of feminism is harmful to women everywhere and vehemently disagree with their views, there is no “Council of Feminists” who decree who gets to call themselves a feminist. So if I want to call myself a feminist, it means having to share the room with TERFs. I don’t like that, but I’d rather do it than let them define what it means to be a feminist.

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    Yes, I can support feminism without being a woman.

    “Not all men,” yes, all men Need all men for what we’re solvin’ Can’t be what it’s been but we’re evolvin’ You see for yourself now get involved in

    • Dana Dan by Bloodywood
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    100% I’m a feminist in the original sense of the term, and not the radical (misandrist) way it’s come to be recognised as. As a man I don’t pretend to 100% relate to the BS women have to put up with on the regular, but I can listen, I can empathise, and I can recognise it stems from a society in which men are viewed as “superior” for some reason.

    Similarly, I recognise a lot of issues men have also stems from our patriarchal society. For me it’s not about quantifying the harm (although if I had to, hot take but on average I’d say the people not in power have it worse), but about pointing to a problem and saying “This is stupid and causing a lot of harm to everyone, why keep it?”

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    I wouldn’t, but some definitions I’ve heard fit me, I personally just call it basic decency + common sense

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    I absolutely call myself a feminist even if the word isn’t maybe entirely descriptive anymore.

    This is our fight too.