So to be clear you “know what illiterate means” and you’re gonna double down on how you think I’m illiterate?
Figuratively yes. (It was a joke, like I said before, but which you apparently also failed to read).
Despite all the evidence to the contrary?
Not that I’ve seen.
It was not a rhetorical question.
So you really wanted me to answer whether I was moving goal posts or forgetting?
Uhhuhh…
Wow ok then. Didn’t realize you knew so much about most people. Thanks for the evidence.
No problem.
Man, you just fuckin love irony/projection huh?
So you think starting out with:
Gosh darn reality making things hard.
…puts you in the good-faith zone? Yeah I don’t think I’m the one projecting here. LOL
I don’t. Do you think that either of these would be necessary for it to be a non living wage? Do you think all people that work for minimum wage die or live on the street? Or do you think that minimum wage is a living wage?
It’s hardly minimum wage. This is a nice example of moving the goal posts. I won’t move with you.
Oops my bad. What was the thing I’m not getting?
That 50k/yr is a living wage and there are plenty of people who start out with that salary and do fine. And they earn more over the years.
Sorry so it was a joke or not?
Or is this a joke now.
I clearly wrote, for the third time now: the word illiterate was a joke about your lack of understanding a simple written sentence.
I guess I could have been nicer when replyto your ignorant comment.
Maybe you’re hallucinating things now. There was nothing ignorant about my comment. Your sarcastic bullshit was simply asinine right off the bat. I was having a chat with that other guy and here you come barging in, your idiocy on full display. You’re not projecting that shit on me. Get it away from me.
This is not an example of moving the goal posts. This was a clear and obvious example of showing you how bad your argument was.
Specifically, it’s a logical fallacy called denying the antecedent.
Eg if A then B
DOES NOT imply that
If NOT A then NOT B
You said :
Mm yes, he forgot to mention the silly extra requirements of food and shelter.
If they’re not dead it means they’re living. If they’re not homeless it means they have a home. And they also have enough to eat.
So by your standards they should have a living wage.
Also, it was reductio ad absurdum, and like I said, not questions one should really answer.
In many many parts of the us, this is simply not a living wage. It’s borderline poverty.
Teachers are living perfectly normal lives and they are not all on the brink of poverty. Sure they don’t drive the nicest car, but if that is what you think is important, just go work for Evil inc. instead.
We’re*
And you can pick whichever you want. You still haven’t made a case why any of them are ignorant. Using the word doesn’t make it so.
So to be clear, everybody who is not dead or homeless is making a living wage? Is that your argument?
Well…
Mm yes, he forgot to mention the silly extra requirements of food and shelter.
… apparently it’s yours. Which is why the reductio ad absurdum was mine, but nice try at trying to make it seem like you can read.
to be your standard
Still nope, see above.
Mine is that they should be able to afford reasonable shelter and food without having to find roommates or other external sources of income.
More movement of the goal posts I see… whatever happened to food and shelter?
Why do you keep generalizing it to “all”?
What’s your point? Why shouldn’t I generalize? We don’t know the financial situation of each teacher so we can only speak in general terms.
And for the umpteenth time –and the proof that you can’t read keeps building: it’s not about the teachers, or the nurses, they were just examples. There are other jobs, you know? As are there other countries outside of the US.
And the fact that teachers are underpaid is something I already acknowledged in the comment you responded to, which you could have read, hadn’t you been illiterate. So I don’t know what you’re trying to argue.
The premise was that the jobs were hard to find. They are not. Period.
Lmfao. Got me there! Was that pretty confusing for you without the apostrophe?
You still haven’t made a case why any of them are ignorant. Using the word doesn’t make it so.
I have, but I’ll say it again.
It’s ignorant because the jobs that give back to humanity and pay a livable wage are hard to get. You just choose to believe that they are not.
You also seem to be willfully ignorant of what a livable wage means.
Which is why the reductio ad absurdum was mine
If this is what you were trying to do, you did a shit job. I even deconstructed it for you.
More movement of the goal posts I see… whatever happened to food and shelter?
This isn’t moving the goal posts. This is the literal definition of a livable wage.
What is your definition?
What’s your point? Why shouldn’t I generalize?
Loads of reasons, but most relevant here is that you can make some very misleading but technically true statements when you do so.
For example:
Not all homeless people are poor.
Not all doors can open.
We don’t know the financial situation of each teacher so we can only speak in general terms.
Technically true, but when we’re talking about the typical case, highlighting that there are exceptions is pointless.
The fact that teachers are underpaid is something I already addressed in the comment you responded to. So I don’t know what you’re trying to argue.
You dont? I’m trying to argue that many many teachers don’t get paid a living wage.
Are you illiterate or something?
And for the umpteenth time: it’s not about the teachers, or the nurses, or whatever job
It is though. The fact that these jobs don’t exist, or are hard to get, is what this entire conversation is about. That, and you trying to derail it to shit on me.
The premise was that the jobs were hard to find. They are not. Period.
The premise was that the jobs that are both fulfilling and pay decently were hard to get. And they are.
Was that pretty confusing for you without the apostrophe?
Just helping you on your way towards literacy. You’re welcome!
I have
Really? Where? Show me all those incredible arguments you made!
the jobs that give back to humanity and pay a livable wage are hard to get.
Are they? You haven’t shown that. All you did was get worked up about the salary of teachers in some states in the US, which I never even denied.
you did a shit job. I even deconstructed it for you.
More empty statements from the guy that can’t even read. Yeah I’m gonna be a no on that one.
This isn’t moving the goal posts. This is the literal definition of a livable wage.
Really? Being able to have a house or an apartment without roommates is in the definition?
And if you started out with “food and shelter”, this is quite literally the (in this case real) definition of moving the goal posts.
You dont? I’m trying to argue that many many teachers don’t get paid a living wage. Are you illiterate or something?
Nice no u. No, if you actually would have used your brain you might have figured out that the point is: why are you trying to argue something that I already acknowledged in my second comment, the one you responded to, as if I’m denying that teachers are underpaid?
The fact that these jobs don’t exist, or are hard to get
They do exist and are not hard to get. Have you even tried?
trying to derail it to shit on me.
LOL there is no derailing a conversation that starts with:
Gosh darn reality making things hard.
Train was off the tracks with both wheels right from the start. This is all on you.
The premise was that the jobs that are both fulfilling and pay decently were hard to get.
Was it? Where did the OP say that? Please use direct quotes.
Assertion fallacy.
Yeah that’s not what that is LOL but nice try there buddy!
Figuratively yes. (It was a joke, like I said before, but which you apparently also failed to read).
Not that I’ve seen.
So you really wanted me to answer whether I was moving goal posts or forgetting? Uhhuhh…
No problem.
So you think starting out with:
…puts you in the good-faith zone? Yeah I don’t think I’m the one projecting here. LOL
It’s hardly minimum wage. This is a nice example of moving the goal posts. I won’t move with you.
That 50k/yr is a living wage and there are plenty of people who start out with that salary and do fine. And they earn more over the years.
Sorry so it was a joke or not?
Or is this a joke now?
I really did. Thanks for answering the question both the first time, and the second time when you copy/pasted it.
Weird thing to do for questions you thought to be rhetorical.
I guess I could have been nicer when replying to your ignorant comment.
This is not an example of moving the goal posts. This was a clear and obvious example of showing you how bad your argument was.
Specifically, it’s a logical fallacy called denying the antecedent.
Eg if A then B
DOES NOT imply that
If NOT A then NOT B
In many many parts of the us, this is simply not a living wage. It’s borderline poverty.
https://livingwage.mit.edu/
I clearly wrote, for the third time now: the word illiterate was a joke about your lack of understanding a simple written sentence.
Maybe you’re hallucinating things now. There was nothing ignorant about my comment. Your sarcastic bullshit was simply asinine right off the bat. I was having a chat with that other guy and here you come barging in, your idiocy on full display. You’re not projecting that shit on me. Get it away from me.
You said :
If they’re not dead it means they’re living. If they’re not homeless it means they have a home. And they also have enough to eat. So by your standards they should have a living wage.
Also, it was reductio ad absurdum, and like I said, not questions one should really answer.
Teachers are living perfectly normal lives and they are not all on the brink of poverty. Sure they don’t drive the nicest car, but if that is what you think is important, just go work for Evil inc. instead.
You did. You also doubled down yet again with “none that I’ve seen”. Am I misreading that or was this another hilarious “joke?”
I’ve understood every word you’ve said. You’re just wrong.
There was and is. The comment were referring to is the one where you said “it’s not that hard” right?
That ignorant as fuck comment?
So to be clear, everybody who is not dead or homeless is making a living wage? Is that your argument?
This appears to be your standard. Not mine.
If I am misconstruing your standard, what is your standard?
Mine is that they should be able to afford reasonable shelter and food without having to find roommates or other external sources of income.
That is what I used to attack your argument, yes.
Why do you keep generalizing it to “all”? Where did “all” come into the conversation?
https://www.erstrategies.org/news/average-teacher-salary-is-below-the-living-wage-in-half-the-country/
Doubt.
We’re*
And you can pick whichever you want. You still haven’t made a case why any of them are ignorant. Using the word doesn’t make it so.
Well…
… apparently it’s yours. Which is why the reductio ad absurdum was mine, but nice try at trying to make it seem like you can read.
Still nope, see above.
More movement of the goal posts I see… whatever happened to food and shelter?
What’s your point? Why shouldn’t I generalize? We don’t know the financial situation of each teacher so we can only speak in general terms.
And for the umpteenth time –and the proof that you can’t read keeps building: it’s not about the teachers, or the nurses, they were just examples. There are other jobs, you know? As are there other countries outside of the US.
And the fact that teachers are underpaid is something I already acknowledged in the comment you responded to, which you could have read, hadn’t you been illiterate. So I don’t know what you’re trying to argue.
The premise was that the jobs were hard to find. They are not. Period.
Lmfao. Got me there! Was that pretty confusing for you without the apostrophe?
I have, but I’ll say it again.
It’s ignorant because the jobs that give back to humanity and pay a livable wage are hard to get. You just choose to believe that they are not.
You also seem to be willfully ignorant of what a livable wage means.
If this is what you were trying to do, you did a shit job. I even deconstructed it for you.
This isn’t moving the goal posts. This is the literal definition of a livable wage.
What is your definition?
Loads of reasons, but most relevant here is that you can make some very misleading but technically true statements when you do so.
For example:
Not all homeless people are poor.
Not all doors can open.
Technically true, but when we’re talking about the typical case, highlighting that there are exceptions is pointless.
You dont? I’m trying to argue that many many teachers don’t get paid a living wage.
Are you illiterate or something?
It is though. The fact that these jobs don’t exist, or are hard to get, is what this entire conversation is about. That, and you trying to derail it to shit on me.
The premise was that the jobs that are both fulfilling and pay decently were hard to get. And they are.
Assertion fallacy.
Just helping you on your way towards literacy. You’re welcome!
Really? Where? Show me all those incredible arguments you made!
Are they? You haven’t shown that. All you did was get worked up about the salary of teachers in some states in the US, which I never even denied.
More empty statements from the guy that can’t even read. Yeah I’m gonna be a no on that one.
Really? Being able to have a house or an apartment without roommates is in the definition? And if you started out with “food and shelter”, this is quite literally the (in this case real) definition of moving the goal posts.
Nice no u. No, if you actually would have used your brain you might have figured out that the point is: why are you trying to argue something that I already acknowledged in my second comment, the one you responded to, as if I’m denying that teachers are underpaid?
They do exist and are not hard to get. Have you even tried?
LOL there is no derailing a conversation that starts with:
Train was off the tracks with both wheels right from the start. This is all on you.
Was it? Where did the OP say that? Please use direct quotes.
Yeah that’s not what that is LOL but nice try there buddy!
Alright man. You win.
Your troll powers are too much for me.
QED
Nice “no u” again, but you only have yourself to blame for this.
Next time maybe don’t start off in bad faith and see where that leads you.