if whatever alternative platform he uses (which you proposed could be his own website) can’t facilitate a bunch of other creators moving over, then his effort is useless against the whole issue of Twitch
…no? It isn’t. He doesn’t have to support anyone else in order to not support Twitch.
Other than that, I would recommend checking out the Owncast directory to see how a federated streaming network can work. Or even look at the current state of podcasts and just apply that logic to streaming.
People don’t want to have to use 10 different platforms to follow the stuff they’re interested in. They want their one platform to show most of the content
The only reason that doesn’t already exist is because Big Tech doesn’t want it to. They could all turn on Federation and make that a reality tomorrow. Again, I refer you to The Owncast directory to see what that future could look like.
I fully agree, but it doesn’t help unless there’s enough content “somewhere else”
Once again, chicken and egg. There will never be content somewhere else until someone puts it there.
GOG doesn’t suck at all, and sees much smaller sales numbers than Steam
That’s because they only have DRM-free content, which means they have ~1\1000th of Steam’s library, if that.
Personally I don’t buy from them because they don’t support Linux/Proton, even though they totally could. So I have to choose between free games or a free OS.
…no? It isn’t. He doesn’t have to support anyone else in order to not support Twitch.
Him alone supporting or not supporting Twitch means absolutely nothing for Twitch, but quite a bit for his viewership. Just moving one creator off the biggest platform accomplishes nothing.
The only reason that doesn’t already exist is because Big Tech doesn’t want it to
And I don’t see a universe where Big Tech is going to change its’ tune either unfortunately.
Or even look at the current state of podcasts and just apply that logic to streaming.
Basically every podcast is available on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, some of the major ones also on YouTube. How’s that different from streaming?
Once again, chicken and egg. There will never be content somewhere else until someone puts it there.
And I’m saying there’s no point unless it’s a coordinated effort. A single creator being unavailable on Twitch changes nothing, except that single streamer’s visibility. It would have to be a ton of people streaming outside of the mainstream platforms for people to forget about Twitch.
That’s because they only have DRM-free content, which means they have ~1\1000th of Steam’s library, if that.
Aye, but even games they DO have, they sell less than Steam, despite offering a technically superior product (DRM-free).
Personally I don’t buy from them because they don’t support Linux/Proton
Their website runs fine on Firefox on Linux and you can use any number of utilities to run games with Proton and manage prefixes, such as Bottles, umu, etc. Heroic even provides a unifying launcher for GOG and a few other windows-only stores. Are you saying the convenience of the more proprietary platform is keeping you from using the less proprietary one? You can see how it’s the same for 99% of humanity and corporate streaming services, right? The competing service needs to win on multiple points to overcome the convenience and familiarity of the existing.
Just moving one creator off the biggest platform accomplishes nothing.
We’ve already discussed several times precisely how it does. If you don’t agree, that’s fine, but you can stop repeating the same nonsense over and over.
And I don’t see a universe where Big Tech is going to change its’ tune either unfortunately.
Not as long as people like you continue to advocate against it.
Basically every podcast is available on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, some of the major ones also on YouTube. How’s that different from streaming?
Because they’re also available without them. And YouTube does not have podcasts.
And I’m saying there’s no point unless it’s a coordinated effort. A single creator being unavailable on Twitch changes nothing, except that single streamer’s visibility
Brother you can’t just start at 5 million. Everything starts at one. Fortunately there are already hundreds, but none of them as influential as the mayor of NYC.
Their website runs fine on Firefox
I don’t care about their website. I want a client where I click a button and the game launches.
Heroic even provides a unifying launcher for GOG
It only works like 10% of the time. While Steam works 99%. Even when it works it doesn’t support a bunch of features that GOG desktop does.
Are you saying the convenience of the more proprietary platform is keeping you from using the less proprietary one?
No I’m saying one supports free operating systems and the other doesn’t.
We’ve already discussed several times precisely how it does. If you don’t agree, that’s fine, but you can stop repeating the same nonsense over and over.
Okay, tell me how many people are going to stop using Twitch because one single streamer streams elsewhere?
Not as long as people like you continue to advocate against it.
Yes, I’m the reason big tech wants to make more money, not because they like making money.
Because they’re also available without them
Yes, and this stream is also available on platforms that are not Twitch. Similarly to how everyone still gets their podcasts off Spotify or Apple Podcasts because those have all the podcasts, everyone will still stream on Twitch if all their other content is still on Twitch too.
Brother you can’t just start at 5 million. Everything starts at one. Fortunately there are already hundreds, but none of them as influential as the mayor of NYC.
And which app or website can you go to to see all of those hundreds in one place?
I don’t care about their website. I want a client where I click a button and the game launches.
So you want convenience and it’s worth more to you than your game being DRM-free. This is literally why every game dev still sells on Steam instead of delisting and going exclusively to GOG and itch. And it’s why nobody who streams will take their stream off Twitch. Because of people like you, who want the convenience of going on Twitch and just clicking.
It only works like 10% of the time. While Steam works 99%. Even when it works it doesn’t support a bunch of features that GOG desktop does.
You don’t NEED any features other than “launch game”. Some apps I can suggest for this: Konsole, alacritty, cosmic-term
No I’m saying one supports free operating systems and the other doesn’t.
But GOG supports free operating systems. The client is completely optional and it came several years after the website which supports every modern browser and OS. Not supporting free operating systems is an imaginary issue you’re making up to justify NOT LEAVING THE CONVENIENT CORPORATE PLATFORM THAT HAS ALL YOUR CONTENT IN ONE PLACE. If you really cared, you could also run the GOG client with Wine just like you run the games themselves.
tell me how many people are going to stop using Twitch because one single streamer streams elsewhere?
It doesn’t matter how many times you ask this leading question, I’m not repeating myself. Scroll up. This conversation is never going to make sense to you if you’re unable to understand the simple concept of a transition.
I’m the reason big tech wants to make more money, not because they like making money.
No, people like you are the reason they will continue making money. People who actively advocate against alternatives.
Yes, and this stream is also available on platforms that are not Twitch.
Only if they elect to multistream them to those platforms. Every other platform he’s streaming it to is ALSO Big Tech. Podcasts are distributed via an open protocol called RSS and you can listen to them however you want, without any platforms involved at all.
Sure, YouTube doesn’t have podcasts.
Can you link me to the RSS feed for these “podcasts”? No? Then they’re not podcasts.
And which app or website can you go to to see all of those hundreds in one place?
Once again, already discussed above. If you’re just not going to read my responses, I’m going to stop writing them.
So you want convenience and it’s worth more to you than your game being DRM-free.
It doesn’t matter if its DRM-free or not if it DOESN’T WORK.
Some apps I can suggest for this: Konsole, alacritty, cosmic-term
These are not “apps”, they are terminal emulators, and they obviously don’t solve the problem I’m describing.
But GOG supports free operating systems.
I would to hear how you describe this. They have zero Linux software whatsoever. And they don’t support Proton, even though they absolutely could.
If you really cared, you could also run the GOG client with Wine just like you run the games themselves.
…no? It isn’t. He doesn’t have to support anyone else in order to not support Twitch.
Other than that, I would recommend checking out the Owncast directory to see how a federated streaming network can work. Or even look at the current state of podcasts and just apply that logic to streaming.
The only reason that doesn’t already exist is because Big Tech doesn’t want it to. They could all turn on Federation and make that a reality tomorrow. Again, I refer you to The Owncast directory to see what that future could look like.
Once again, chicken and egg. There will never be content somewhere else until someone puts it there.
That’s because they only have DRM-free content, which means they have ~1\1000th of Steam’s library, if that.
Personally I don’t buy from them because they don’t support Linux/Proton, even though they totally could. So I have to choose between free games or a free OS.
Him alone supporting or not supporting Twitch means absolutely nothing for Twitch, but quite a bit for his viewership. Just moving one creator off the biggest platform accomplishes nothing.
And I don’t see a universe where Big Tech is going to change its’ tune either unfortunately.
Basically every podcast is available on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, some of the major ones also on YouTube. How’s that different from streaming?
And I’m saying there’s no point unless it’s a coordinated effort. A single creator being unavailable on Twitch changes nothing, except that single streamer’s visibility. It would have to be a ton of people streaming outside of the mainstream platforms for people to forget about Twitch.
Aye, but even games they DO have, they sell less than Steam, despite offering a technically superior product (DRM-free).
Their website runs fine on Firefox on Linux and you can use any number of utilities to run games with Proton and manage prefixes, such as Bottles, umu, etc. Heroic even provides a unifying launcher for GOG and a few other windows-only stores. Are you saying the convenience of the more proprietary platform is keeping you from using the less proprietary one? You can see how it’s the same for 99% of humanity and corporate streaming services, right? The competing service needs to win on multiple points to overcome the convenience and familiarity of the existing.
We’ve already discussed several times precisely how it does. If you don’t agree, that’s fine, but you can stop repeating the same nonsense over and over.
Not as long as people like you continue to advocate against it.
Because they’re also available without them. And YouTube does not have podcasts.
Brother you can’t just start at 5 million. Everything starts at one. Fortunately there are already hundreds, but none of them as influential as the mayor of NYC.
I don’t care about their website. I want a client where I click a button and the game launches.
It only works like 10% of the time. While Steam works 99%. Even when it works it doesn’t support a bunch of features that GOG desktop does.
No I’m saying one supports free operating systems and the other doesn’t.
Okay, tell me how many people are going to stop using Twitch because one single streamer streams elsewhere?
Yes, I’m the reason big tech wants to make more money, not because they like making money.
Yes, and this stream is also available on platforms that are not Twitch. Similarly to how everyone still gets their podcasts off Spotify or Apple Podcasts because those have all the podcasts, everyone will still stream on Twitch if all their other content is still on Twitch too.
Sure, YouTube doesn’t have podcasts.
And which app or website can you go to to see all of those hundreds in one place?
So you want convenience and it’s worth more to you than your game being DRM-free. This is literally why every game dev still sells on Steam instead of delisting and going exclusively to GOG and itch. And it’s why nobody who streams will take their stream off Twitch. Because of people like you, who want the convenience of going on Twitch and just clicking.
You don’t NEED any features other than “launch game”. Some apps I can suggest for this: Konsole, alacritty, cosmic-term
But GOG supports free operating systems. The client is completely optional and it came several years after the website which supports every modern browser and OS. Not supporting free operating systems is an imaginary issue you’re making up to justify NOT LEAVING THE CONVENIENT CORPORATE PLATFORM THAT HAS ALL YOUR CONTENT IN ONE PLACE. If you really cared, you could also run the GOG client with Wine just like you run the games themselves.
It doesn’t matter how many times you ask this leading question, I’m not repeating myself. Scroll up. This conversation is never going to make sense to you if you’re unable to understand the simple concept of a transition.
No, people like you are the reason they will continue making money. People who actively advocate against alternatives.
Only if they elect to multistream them to those platforms. Every other platform he’s streaming it to is ALSO Big Tech. Podcasts are distributed via an open protocol called RSS and you can listen to them however you want, without any platforms involved at all.
Can you link me to the RSS feed for these “podcasts”? No? Then they’re not podcasts.
Once again, already discussed above. If you’re just not going to read my responses, I’m going to stop writing them.
It doesn’t matter if its DRM-free or not if it DOESN’T WORK.
These are not “apps”, they are terminal emulators, and they obviously don’t solve the problem I’m describing.
I would to hear how you describe this. They have zero Linux software whatsoever. And they don’t support Proton, even though they absolutely could.
That’s very obviously would simply not work.