SlAvA UkrAnI!

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    2 days ago

    Tangent? Your post was about Ukrainian Nazis. Let’s look back at it.

    If you cared about the will of the people you wouldn’t have violently overthrown their government and installed a regime of literal nazis to murder and suppress the population you pretend to weep for.

    I apparently don’t care about them because I’m not resisting this Nazi regime that nobody can prove is anywhere NEAR extensive enough to qualify as an actual regime.

    But then again if you cared about the people of Ukraine AT ALL you wouldn’t be okay with them living under a nazi regime LET ALONE happily giving those nazis absolute power to decide when and if they ever give up absolute power.

    Again, I’m allegedly terrible for not caring about the alleged Nazis.

    So like all right wingers, I have to wonder. Where are you on the evil/stupid continuum? Do you espouse your views because you are fully self aware as a devoted nazi partisan? Or are you tied for the dumbest person to have ever lived?

    Basically a bunch of questioning if my tolerance of the Nazis is stupidity or evil.

    So… You ranted about Ukrainian Nazis. That was the central focus of your post. I then claimed that while I have repeatedly tried to be open to the possibility, nobody can ever seem to muster evidence that it’s anything more than a few relatively small groups, at least on a nation scale, being grossly exaggerated.

    And then you act confused and treat me like I’m going off on a tangent to dodge some greater point, you absolute clown.

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      2 days ago

      Yeah. You latched onto a single thing I said in the service of talking about the actual topic and you not only want to make the entire conversation about it, you also want to pretend no other conversation existed.

      You’re dishonest and pathetic.

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        My guy, your entire fucking post was about Ukrainian Nazis. So I responded and discussed Ukrainian Nazis. What the fuck do you want to talk about if it’s not Ukrainian Nazis, and why didn’t you just say that in the first place? If it’s such a tangent, it’s one you went down and I followed, but now it’s my fault we’re here somehow. And once again, there’s still no evidence of the Nazis being widespread, so this just feels like trying to dodge the fact that someone actually called for evidence.

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          My guy, your entire fucking post was about Ukrainian Nazis.

          Do you think it’s been so long that I don’t remember my own post? What audience are you lying to? How fucking shameless. You’re just fucking stupid. To try and pull that kind of dishonesty. Honestly. Fucking stupid. On top of being a dishonest fucking low life. Christ you suck as a person. Go the fuck away please.

          Completely independent of you being a nazi apologist (a nazi).

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            1 day ago

            Do you think it’s been so long that I don’t remember my own post?

            I dunno what your deal is, but yeah, you seem to be struggling to keep up with your own bullshit. Two out of three paragraphs were about Ukrainian Nazis, and the third was questioning how I could be cool with that.

            Honestly, this just feels like a pathetic attempt to dodge the fact that I was willing to consider proof. It was all fine and dandy to talk about Ukrainian Nazis, but as soon as the topic of proving Ukrainian Nazis are a systemic problem came up, you can’t fathom how we got onto this topic, and clearly I’m just distracting from the real topic somehow by expressing an interest in having your claims verified. You know god damn well it’s a lie, so as soon as evidence comes up, you vehemently disengage from the topic and try to paint me as an idiot and a Nazi apologist. Where my Nazi apologia was just to say that I’d be totally open to looking at evidence they’re a real problem if only someone could actually provide it.

            Fucking hilarious you want to call me a Nazi apologist for having the audacity to question an imperialist aggressor’s narrative. It’s obvious your fragile little ego can’t handle getting called out for the shit you spew, so you result to personal attacks like a child.

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              If you cared about the will of the people you wouldn’t have violently overthrown their government and installed a regime of literal nazis to murder and suppress the population you pretend to weep for.

              But then again if you cared about the people of Ukraine AT ALL you wouldn’t be okay with them living under a nazi regime LET ALONE happily giving those nazis absolute power to decide when and if they ever give up absolute power.

              So like all right wingers, I have to wonder. Where are you on the evil/stupid continuum? Do you espouse your views because you are fully self aware as a devoted nazi partisan? Or are you tied for the dumbest person to have ever lived?

              Here’s another chance to read my comment with the literacy of an adult. Try harder.

              You could have just as easily latched onto my mentioning the ethnic cleansing. You could have just as easily latched onto the illegal western coup that stole democracy from Ukraine in the first place. You could have just as easily stayed on the original topic of conversation and responded to the actual fucking point about how the nazi government you love so much took away the mere trappings of democracy in that country. But no. You’re too stupid for that. That would be too honest and in good faith for trash like you to engage in.

              You latched onto the existence of the nazi regime because you have practiced being obstinate and intransigent on this subject. You made it absolutely clear that you wouldn’t even engage in this tangent of yours in good faith by bragging about how no one could possibly convince you and refusing to allow a condition up front that would satisfy your requirements for proof. You’re an intellectual coward.

              And that’s exactly how a nazi argues by the way.

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                You could have just as easily latched onto my mentioning the ethnic cleansing.

                I mean, that’s a key trait of the Nazis. I figured it kinda came together, but alright, I could have been a little more specific and brought it up sooner, but I was really hoping today would be the day someone can actually find the Nazi evidence. Besides, if Nazis are the ones doing the ethnic cleansing, it should be trivial to prove there are Nazis, right?

                You could have just as easily latched onto the illegal western coup that stole democracy from Ukraine in the first place.

                Tried to go down that road with people several times. Never seems to go anywhere. Everybody likes to call it a coup, but nobody can prove it’s anything other than butthurt that Ukraine moved towards the West.

                You could have just as easily stayed on the original topic of conversation and responded to the actual fucking point about how the nazi government you love so much took away the mere trappings of democracy in that country.

                You mean how elections are suspended because they’re under martial law? As far as I’m concerned, that’s Russia’s fault. Ukraine is already bound by their constitution, and it would be extremely difficult to change in the middle of war. Ukraine’s choice was to either enact martial law and fight back, losing elections temporarily, or submit to Russia and lose Ukrainian elections permanently. If you want them to be able to vote, get pissed at Russia. They’re free to fuck off back to their own land any time they’d like.

                That would be too honest and in good faith for trash like you to engage in.

                Oh fucking please, your arrogant ass is just trying to cover up the fact you can’t prove a god damn thing. You’re raging over there like a child that refuses to accept their bedtime because you got called on your slop, and since there’s no real defense of it, you gotta go on the offensive on me directly.

                You latched onto the existence of the nazi regime because you have practiced being obstinate and intransigent on this subject. You made it absolutely clear that you wouldn’t even engage in this tangent of yours in good faith by bragging about how no one could possibly convince you and refusing to allow a condition up front that would satisfy your requirements for proof.

                My guy, you know what evidence people have managed to bring me? A map of monuments in Europe, of which almost none were in Ukraine. A photo of one dude with a blurry patch next to Zelenskyy that they swear is Nazi symbolism if you squint hard enough. A photo of like two dozen dudes in military-ish gear around a flag that, while certainly concerning, is in no way indicative of a systemic problem. A couple more photos of even smaller groups. I’m not being unreasonable for not calling that definitive proof.

                I’m not denying there are Nazis in Ukraine entirely, I’m sure there’s at least some just as there are basically everywhere even if the exact flavor if Nazi varies slightly.

                Hell, I didn’t even set conditions on proof. I just said nobody can ever find anything that actually proves shit. They wanna show me some of the bullshit I mentioned early that proves nothing other than that Ukrainian Nazis aren’t entirely extinct. Which, for the record, is a shame, they should be.

                You’re an intellectual coward. And that’s exactly how a nazi argues by the way.

                You wanna talk intellectual cowardice? Let’s look at your personal attacks. Let’s look at how you came unglued on me the instant I actually requested evidence of your assertion of Nazis in complete good faith, I was ready to learn something. Let’s look at how, in spite of all that, in spite of all your rage over these alleged Nazis, you still won’t even try to find a single shred of genuine evidence

                And then, because I won’t buy your story at the very first mention of it, because I won’t take the flimsiest of evidence and run with it, I’m an intellectual coward and a Nazi? I’d say you’re a fucking clown, but frankly, that’d be an insult to clowns. You’re full of shit, I know it, you know it, but you just can’t admit it, especially in public. Do yourself a favor and stop replying. You just embarrass yourself acting like a petulant child.

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                  3 hours ago

                  A petulant child gets told to return to the topic and spends multiple pages continuing to whine about how no one engages with your bad faith and declaring victory because your deeply buried post on a week old thread didn’t get any replies

                  Do you not understand that you’re stupid for this alone?

                  You mean how elections are suspended because they’re under martial law?

                  Oh okay. It’s because the military rules the country. That’s why it’s okay to not have democracy anymore.

                  And in order to keep the country Ukrainian we need to prevent the people who live there from having any say in what “Ukraine” is.

                  Hell, I didn’t even set conditions on proof. I just said nobody can ever find anything that actually proves shit.

                  Are you so fucking stupid that you’re bringing up your deliberate bad faith as a POSITIVE???