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      support systems that have brought about immense increases in life expectancy, worker’s rights, women’s rights, free healthcare, free education, and literally defeated fascism

      Cool, you can make literally that exact same argument about capitalist neo libs.

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        You actually can’t make the argument that neoliberal capitalism has defeated fascism at all, you’d have to be completely historically & politically illiterate to even consider it. Life expectancy increase came as a result of medical research conducted around the world, all others were conceded by capitalist governments begrudgingly and only after years of hard work by organizations that were overwhelmingly made up of anti-capitalists, and every single one is currently being rolled back in every capitalist nation on earth.

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          and every single one is currently being rolled back in every capitalist nation on earth.

          Just completely factually incorrect.

          You actually can’t make the argument that neoliberal capitalism has defeated fascism at a

          Sure you can, I wouldn’t agree with it, just like I wouldn’t agree that socialism did, but you can make that argument

          Life expectancy increase came as a result of medical research conducted around the world

          Yeah that’s kind of my point. The things you mention as successes of “”“socialist”“” countries is just scientific advancement and industrialisation.

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            Factually entirely correct lol, sorry if reality is inconvenient for your bullshit

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          Worthwile to note that the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were longstanding allies before Operation Barbarossa and a critical amount of steel and oil that supplied the Nazi war machine after the allied embargo was supplied by the Soviet union.

          Which says nothing of the monumental sacrifice given by Soviet civilians, but let’s separate that from Stalin’s policy, perhaps?

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          Anti imperialism? How did they become the largest country on earth?

          Respect of minorities? Tell that to the tens of thousands of people executed in forests. Or starved to death. Because of their identity.

          Industrial development? Yes, current Russia having an economy the size of Italy is a testament to that.

          Plenty of countries have free education and Healthcare.

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              Yes, muscovites just made friends, that’s not imperialism. Sakha just wanted to give it’s oil and minerals to Moscow. Yakutia just wanted desperately to learn Russian. It’s not imperialism if there are no boats involved!

              Estonia? Now their GDP per capita is not 20% higher, it’s 200% higher than Russia. Yes, triple as high. Obviously Russia was robbing them blind, and holding them back. Same as most other republics and Warsaw pact nations. GDP explosions after ditching the red parasite.

              Ukraine had borders just fine when Soviets invaded them. If not for the war they lost against Poland in 1920 they would have kept invading and repressing nations. Belorussian language is almost extinct nowadays after all the russification. Same for Ukrainian in Eastern Ukraine.

              French killed 1 million Algerians? Rookie numbers, they should have learned from the holodomor.