No GTA 6 until 2028 then.
I don’t think PS5 and XSX versions will be affected at all.
But since us on PC have to wait for that release AND the double dip on the PS6/New Xbox - we’re going to waiting until 2030 and beyond now.
At this point I’m pretending that the game hasn’t even been announced yet.
I admit I bought an XBOX 360 for GTA V so I wouldn’t have to wait for PC, but TBF you could get a used 360 for about $60 because the next gen was just around the corner. I’m not seeing any PS5s selling for sntjerre near that cheap, so I won’t be playing GTA VI until it releases on PC this time around.
See you in 2028 when the economy recovers and we all have jobs again.
Start by making some content for the systems you already fucking have. My ps5 gets closer to facebook marketplace every day.
Microsoft could justify a $1000 console if it can also be used as a full desktop computer. I couldn’t see Sony doing something similar unless they miraculously brought back Linux mode.
But I also wonder if Microsoft will take a legit attempt at salvaging the Xbox brand next generation since they’ve completely blown this one now and are making no steps to remedy it.
I mean they just announced a handheld „Xbox“ that can‘t even play Xbox games but relies on Xbox Gamepass and your PC library. They don‘t do consoles anymore.
$1000 computer running windows 11?
At these RAM prices?
They’ve had the hardware for it since the first Xbox, so I assume they’ve gone out of their way to avoid that. I believe they want to make sure their consumers buy both an Xbox and a PC.
The PS5 security keys got leaked, until they make a new hardware revision (can’t be fixed with software) every existing ps5 (and maybe pro) just became fully open.
Heyyyy, talk about silver linings
Sucks that Microsoft sees no reason in enforcing any resource usage limits for anything, console manufacturers do this and games run incredibly well on there, same for how Apple (despite other bullshit they pull) enforces software requirements so it can run at least functionally on the oldest supported devices.
All Microsoft has done is shoot themselves in the foot by upping the requirements so they can get lazy with coding, such as pretty much every UI component being an electron app, or how apparently a third of it is vibe coded. Meanwhile, due to the prices of devices with reasonable amounts of RAM skyrocketing, too many consumers get the bottom of the barrel configs, and then wonder why their computer is insatiably slow; it’s because Microsoft is now enforcing their laziness, possibly so they can change UI components quicker through higher level languages.
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Indeed and two years of advancement for steamboxes / Linux gaming distros will be the nail in the coffin. These are the last of their kind.
The PS5 base security keys got leaked, it’s going to be a full fledge PC once the modders get to work. Might be the cheapest way to get ram now hah.
Oh wut? Lol my PS5 just got a lot more interesting.
I’ll be converting my PS5 to a Steam Machine once the masters have done their work.
I’d also love to have a normal PS5 partition and a Linux one. This would be the best of both worlds, but I think I’m dreaming too much😇
Valve’s reaction to this news in relation to Steam Machine: Fuck.
Granted that is millions of new potential steam game players.
I’m guessing that the direct profit from a Steam Machine (i.e. the hardware) is a pittance compared to the profit from the game sales that it will generate.
It will definitely boost PS5 sales. Sony loves to boast about PlayStation 2 being the best selling console in history but they conveniently leave out the reason. It’s because there are modchips and even software jailbreaks for the console. It’s why it sold super well during the end of its lifetime in low and middle income regions.
Actually the reason is it was the cheapest DVD player for ages
PS3 was also the cheapest blueray player at the time, but the weird architecture impacting game availability and lower demand for blueray movies prevented it from gaining the same popularity
Got a Link about that?
sorry about the delay, apparently I’m only getting notified of new messages 10 hours later, even though I’ve been on since.
All fine. Thanks for the link
The original Xbox even had a hard drive and DVD ROM player connected by IDE cables so it didn’t change much.
What im hearing is that if we want those things sooner and at a reasonable price, we should do anything and everything possible to pop the AI bubble.
I admire your optimism, but I think this will get used as leverage for a push to cloud gaming. The end goal is for is to own nothing.
I admire your optimism, but I think this will get used as leverage for a push to cloud gaming. The end goal is for is to own nothing.
They’re certainly welcome to attempt selling that to me.
They won’t like the outcome, but that’s more of a them problem.
We’ll see. I hope you’re right. Similar tactics in the housing market have created situations in which rent is cheaper than mortgage payments, which is a bad portent.
I mean, I’ve already got a backlog of 100+ Steam and GOG games I haven’t played yet, plus something like 1000+ retro game ROMs, and I’m happy to go digging in the crates as it were. There are already more games available than I’ll have time to play in my lifetime.
They push cloud gaming and I go fuck off entirely.
Do you play Call of Duty every release?
No? Because millions of people do.
Do you think your actions are offsetting that?
Because they are not. Nobody is going to sell hardware to a couple thousand folk who won’t get in with the times.
Do you play Call of Duty every release?No? Because millions of people do.Do you think your actions are offsetting that?Because they are not. Nobody is going to sell hardware to a couple thousand folk who won’t get in with the times.
Based on your tone, you come from the Randy Pitchford school of public relations.
If you’re uncertain about what I’m getting at, my recent spending on Borderlands, and Borderlands related goods, averages out to zero dollars and zero cents.
I’m telling you that we are in a minority.
And that unless we can convince at least 50% of gamers to not buy into that, we lost.
EA should have been bankrupt twenty times over, but people keep buying their games.
Same as with everything.
I keep fighting, but this fight has been lost since the start.
I’m telling you that we are in a minority.And that unless we can convince at least 50% of gamers to not buy into that, we lost.EA should have been bankrupt twenty times over, but people keep buying their games.Same as with everything.I keep fighting, but this fight has been lost since the start.
I understand your thesis, but am offering mine as a wholesale replacement instead of a rebuttal:
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The entire gaming industry produces non-essential goods.
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No one video game, nor the entire industry, have a monopoly on entertainment.
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I dictate what products and services I want, the video game industry does not.
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If the industry doesn’t produce products that I want, the industry gets zero of my entertainment dollars, or attention.
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I can and will spend my entertainment dollars elsewhere, and have experienced zero stress as a result.
Why “fight” an industry that needs you more than you need it? They cannot stop me from disregarding them, which certainly makes getting money out of me a challenge.
I cannot stress enough how much of a Them problem this actually is.
I’m just trying to explain to you that YOU might do your thing, but YOU do not sway the industry.
I’ve known and understood the dangers of dark practices, yet those companies were rewarded regardless of me not buying into them and warning others.
All I’m saying is that you and I represent an insignificant minority of money in gaming, and if the majority won’t shop for PC hardware, that will cease to be sold. Completely. You and I will not change that.
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How have we “lost”?
I don’t think Indie games are going anywhere. If anything, this is probably an opportunity for them to feast.
The big AAA titles that, by our own admission, we already aren’t playing? They may go a different direction that we don’t like, but they also aren’t a product (or service, as it may become) for me.
Again: if majority of players stop buying PC hardware, it will not be sold AT ALL. That’s it. Indies will fade slowly after.
Doesn’t that rely on everyone having a fast internet connection with a high data cap? That’s not the case for a lot of people
GeForce Now performs well but it’s already seeing further limits put in place. Gamepass already saw price hikes. Amazon Luna has a terribly small library. Smaller players have to buy GPUs, memory, and processor’s too and contend with AI data center induced rising power costs. Plus data center location matters a huge amount and that’s still a work in progress for game streaming services and a lot of the world
Plus my Internet throttles after like 1.5TB a month. Fine for ~15mbps Netflix. Not so good for ~100mbps game streaming. Others have data caps or overage fees. There certainly are those with uncapped/unthrottled internet. I wish my neighborhood had that
Game streaming is going mainstream going to get worse short term too. Mostly pricing and worse usage limits
A midrange phone these days are power competitive with a PS4. Makes more sense for Steam’s future support android APKs because of the Steam Frame to make way for Steam to be an Android game store and devs target Switch-PS4 hardware on the low end and PS5 mid/high end. Don’t even entertain the idea of a PS6 level min requirements game for a game releasing this decade. Probably not even for the first half of the 2030s
I haven’t ever used game streaming, is it seriously that latency-free that it’s worth it? I just can’t imagine that.
Depends on how close you are to the server and your Internet connection. For me when my Internet isn’t having a bad day, the latency is good even for twitchy shooting games. I wouldn’t rely on it for a competitive game full match length, but anything single player is good. Pretty much anything that isn’t super fast paced twitchy is good. GeForce Now is how I first tried Cyberpunk path tracing. Worked great
I remember trying out games on GeForce Now, Gamepass, and Luna around the same time. GeForce Now and Luna latency wasn’t a problem for me. Gamepass was frequently really bad
I’m not subscribed to anything anymore. Just wanted to try them out. Only when there’s a deal. Forgot to subscribe for one month 50% last month so I’ll wait again. Probably a summer month when I want to game but not use my desktop
Interesting. I have 5gbps fiber so I wonder if it’d be good. I’m just struggling to understand how it could be, lol. I don’t really game anymore though. Thanks for the reply!
You guys have data caps? Or is that mobile broadband?
Depending on location. Same city 3 years ago no data cap. Current neighborhood first had a data cap that had overage fees or pay an extra $50 a month for uncapped. Now with a service provider that does throttling after a point during congestion
Well the pop would only cause more issues like lack of funds for anyone to even afford one of those things.
Well the pop would only cause more issues like lack of funds for anyone to even afford one of those things.
Possibly, but this doesn’t diminish my desire for that bubble to pop sooner rather than later.
Good, I can’t afford new shit now anyways. Gimme shit for the shit I have.
Exactly! The good part of such a shortage is that old tech can stay relevant for far longer and devs will have to optimize more.
Sometimes, therés a lot of good in a bad situation.
I want great games, not necessarly more demanding ones. The Last of Us 2 is still the most beautiful game I’ve played and I don’t really need more if it means getting new hardware.
Yeah and like, we’re reaching diminishing returns with how good things can even look. It already looks incredible, let’s work on making it look that way with less processing power and file sizes now. You don’t need another more powerful machine for that.
Who cares they will just be the same thing with more powerful hardware.
Make something new already
Good honestly, we don’t need another generation yet. Constraints are good for innovation.
Good for me. It’s almost like how all the Switch Pro rumors became Switch 2 rumors and people being in denial it could be 2 because that’d be too weak in the year of release. Switch 2 is fine. Designs at this point are advanced. No sudden switching to 2030 GPU/CPU designs. You’ll get AMD 2027 designs in 2030 and budget gaming PCs in 2030+ will feast because of that
I can just have the AI play my games for me. Problem SOLVED!
Then you’ll be free to work more! It’s win-win!
EXACTLY what the Billionaires were after in the first place. That’s some 3-D chess going on here.
And nothing of value was lost.
