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  • Well that’s a very valid argument. If cost and impact of an error is very high and a rewrite mitigates that, sure, why not rewrite it. But in this comment thread I had to offer this argument myself, I haven’t really seen it properly communicated.
    It’s always — memory safety this, error handling that… These are good reasons to pick a language for a new project, but, god damn, it’s a stupid reason for a stable program rewrite (let’s say the program is mostly in maintenance mode: no major new features are planned; correct me if that’s not the case for sudo).


  • Went through the releases quickly and it does look like maintenance work is being done more than anything.

    Last minor version update was in 2020 which is not that recent (although quite recent). All other releases since have mostly fixes. I’ve seen only a couple of things that were not Fixed something in the notes.

    Maybe our definitions of active development are different, but to me this does look like maintenance.



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    Ok, valid, is sudo (in this case) actively developed? Hom much maintenance does it require?

    All these analogies amount to what exactly? New == better?

    I get the enthusiasm for new shiny thing, especially when the new tool is better. But why do we need something like sudo rewriten? How does it make lives easier?

    There’s a saying: if it ain’t broke… I’m trying to figure how and why it’s broken and all I see just a selling pitch for the language.


  • Well that’s the thing that I don’t see communicated. Is it actively developed? Bug fixes doesn’t count, it’s maintenance not active development. If I’m just doing maintenance then there must be a lot of issues to warrant a rewrite, especially in a different language.

    Form what I keep seeing it looks like a rewrite for the sake of rewriting, which is at best misguided reasoning.

    I can see an argument that the cost of failure is very high with something like sudo, but I don’t see it vocalized anywhere.


  • Can anyone explain why do we need this rewrite? What I’m hearing is just that the language is memory safe and, honestly, it sounds like a weak argument. Unless the program is actively evolving or requires regular updates and it can be seen that a rewrite could genuinely improve things…

    All I’ve seen in these media posts were just vague “what if” arguments. If that’s it, a rewrite seems pretty dumb.


  • Yes, a god is unnecessary. However, discussing religion and faith is inseparable from discussing God. Especially when we’re discussing whether it is good, evil or even exist.

    My point is more that you cannot argue a god doesn’t exist with logic and Occam’s razor and whatnot when the other side of the discussion doesn’t operate on logic alone. If you’re arguing faith you have to reject it on the same basis, i. e. faith.

    My personal belief is that there is no god. Humanity made up religion as tool for control, morality, education, etc. I see no proof that god should exist and on the premise that it could exist (neither claim is provable) I reject it.


  • TL;DR
    I not so much claim God doesn’t exist as I reject it. If God can only be “proven” by faith, then it equaly can be “disproven” the same way.


    That’s why I have a different (although, in a very minor way) position.

    From experience I see that God would be at best indifferent to people. Given the choice to believe in such God I see no logical reason to do so.
    Either it exists and need to jump through hoops to get into heaven (especially if our concept of good is not the same) or it doesn’t exist I loose nothing by not believing. I don’t even want to go to heaven, I want to just live with my loved ones and then die. I hate the concept of eternal life, there is no part of me that would want it.

    Now looking at christian God I not so much as disprove its existence as reject it. If God can only be believed in then it cannot really be disproven, so the next step for me is just to reject the concept the same way I am required to accept it. If God’s and my human moralities do not align, I do not need such God. Morality, by itself, does not require God or punishment to exist.
    Moreover, I don’t want a God that requires belief for a reward. In no way I see it as fair and if God is not fair it’s no god of mine.



  • Listen, I get that you’re just trolling, so this is more directed to anyone that can be convinced by your comment.

    USSR saved no one. They took over other nations and killed a lot of people in the process. They ripped families apart and took them to their own concentration camps in Siberia. Most of these people were worked to death and died starving.

    Before WWII Soviet regime decided that Ukrainians don’t deserve to exist and killed millions in Holodomor (Ukrainian famine).

    In history they we’re never saviors, they were just another occupant and an unfortunate ally in WWII. What they brought to my country was repressions and deficits. I guess planned economy doesn’t really work.

    The life my parents lived under Soviets was shit and it only improved after we regained independence.

    Hero washing USSR only serves as propaganda. They were not heroes, they were winners. It doesn’t make them any better than the other side.