Guess what humans are lol

Ok? A landlord is still no substitute for actual insurance

They’re still getting your money for little to no work. You’re helping house and feed them in order to have access to their private property. As in, you are creating value through your labor, and have to exchange some of that value you created with your landlord for access to private property. Your landlord granting you access doesn’t create value and yet you have to pay for it. At the end of the day, they still have a property that has an exchange value and you had to trade some of the value you created for nothing. It’s consumed. It’s gone.

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All landlords are parasites. Paying a landlord is not the same as having home insurance…

companies building houses to gain revenue by renting brings in investment in developing land and real estate. It’s just that some ridiculous revenue expectations drive the rent way over what is reasonable.

how about they build to sell??? Why do they need a stream of money in perpetuity for a one-time investment?

Hello, if you would please refer to “Wage labour and capital”:

We have just seen how the fluctuation of supply and demand always bring the price of a commodity back to its cost of production. The actual price of a commodity, indeed, stands always above or below the cost of production; but the rise and fall reciprocally balance each other, so that, within a certain period of time, if the ebbs and flows of the industry are reckoned up together, the commodities will be exchanged for one another in accordance with their cost of production. Their price is thus determined by their cost of production.

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What, then, is the cost of production of labour-power?

It is the cost required for the maintenance of the labourer as a labourer, and for his education and training as a labourer.

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Thus, the cost of production of simple labour-power amounts to the cost of the existence and propagation of the worker. The price of this cost of existence and propagation constitutes wages. The wages thus determined are called the minimum of wages. This minimum wage, like the determination of the price of commodities in general by cost of production, does not hold good for the single individual, but only for the race. Individual workers, indeed, millions of workers, do not receive enough to be able to exist and to propagate themselves; but the wages of the whole working class adjust themselves, within the limits of their fluctuations, to this minimum.

The price of education can only fall once the supply of laborer requiring said education falls below the demand of such laborers and, consequently, the price of their labor power rises above the cost of creating this labor power. The (even more) bad news is:

But the productive forces of labour is increased above all by a greater division of labour and by a more general introduction and constant improvement of machinery. The larger the army of workers among whom the labour is subdivided, the more gigantic the scale upon which machinery is introduced, the more in proportion does the cost of production decrease, the more fruitful is the labour.

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Furthermore, to the same degree in which the division of labour increases, is the labour simplified. The special skill of the labourer becomes worthless. He becomes transformed into a simple monotonous force of production, with neither physical nor mental elasticity. His work becomes accessible to all; therefore competitors press upon him from all sides. Moreover, it must be remembered that the more simple, the more easily learned the work is, so much the less is its cost to production, the expense of its acquisition, and so much the lower must the wages sink – for, like the price of any other commodity, they are determined by the cost of production.

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if you don’t have time then why bother debating?

I’m here cause i’m mildly drunk and cause i wanna entertain myself and people of lemmy with a philosophical blabber. No hurt feelings.

@Teppichbrand@feddit.org This is why I don’t bother debating with carnists. To them the pain and suffering they cause is just a mildly interesting talking point that they use for their ghoulish entertainment. They will demand an original write up to the same tired talking points you and I have seen a dozen times and will not genuinely engage with anything you link (I’m talking about this incident where a carnist was intruding in a vegan space)

Anywho, the article you provided… It seems like a dramatic personal story

It isn’t if you read past the introductory paragraph and actually watched the media like I asked.

I was raised in a village, where we had our own livestock, and i’ve seen my share of cruelty.

So you agree that it’s cruel? What the fuck was your point about “we can’t really know if we’re actually harming them”

Being kind and generous, as opposed to being cruel, is a vanity.

no, it’s a virtue. I dont know what you think a vanity is, but being kind and generous are virtues.

So if you think that veganism is highly moral, you’d better tell me the plan to make everybody vegan, so everyone would have a sound sleep at night.

At this point I’m fully in support of “ask once, shoot twice (if you can get away with it)”. Glory to the armed animal resistance.

The article makes for a dramatic story, but otherwise offers no solution to the conundrum,

You didn’t read it. You so clearly didn’t read it

What to do? In 2012, researcher Kathyn Gillespie visited a livestock auction for her paper Witnessing Animal Others: Bearing Witness, Grief and the Political Function of Emotion. The experience showed an erasure so complete that, even with the suffering bang in front of them, the crowd saw nothing amiss. “The audience was filled with buyers and spectators talking cheerfully about the animals, prices, their farms and families,” writes Gillespie. “For humans who farm and are in the animal product industry, the auction is a jovial place where they can come together for some lighthearted banter and a meal in the auction canteen. The auction is not scripted as a place of human or animal grief. Animals’ lives and bodies in this space are thoroughly commodified, their suffering illegible to the accustomed observer, the violence against them made mundane through its regularity.“ (3)
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The campaigns by VIVA, Animal Aid and AJP are having an impact; activists and sanctuaries around the world are doing their best to rescue whoever they can. Academics such as Gillespie, Adams and Gruen are challenging worldviews. Activism, in all its different forms, works, telling the truths no one wants to hear, despite attracting often vitriolic pushback. Like I said, I became vegan when my daughter was seven. Body and soul, it’s the best decision I ever made, allowing me to live in alignment with my deepest held beliefs. If anyone asks me why (and no one ever does), this is what I’d like to say: I’m vegan because I reject all forms of erasure and domination. I’m vegan because animals are our kin, not our slaves. I’m vegan because I believe in the beauty of the natural world and all her beings. I’m vegan because I don’t believe people want to act against their better natures. I’m vegan because I stand in solidarity with all mothers. Remember the Mothers of Lowfields. Happy Mother’s Day.

Emphasis mine

not to mention that it barely relates to the topic, that , might i remind you, being “is veganism a virtue”

Another problem is that farm animals don’t talk much about their feelings, ro we can’t really know if we’re actually harming them, thus we can’t say whether we’re helping them by stopping the process

You fucking brought it up!! Jesus christ carnists are some of the most navel-gazing smuggest pieces of reddit-brained shits out there.

https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/plants-are-alive/resources

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Please read this and more importantly watch the material linked to see if you still think that “we can’t really know if we’re actually harming them”

https://www.theempathyproject.co.uk/magazine/the-mothers-of-dairy

Like I dont have time to get into all the different things going on with your post, it’s a lot, so lets focus on that one thing.

Günlük kullanim icin Guix’te eksigim yok. Bir tek Anki 2 yildir güncellestirmemis ama halen kullanisli.

Evet ama cok takip etmedim. Sonucu ne oldu?

Aynen :D

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But veganism isn’t widely accepted as a virtue, so who are we supposedly signaling to by being combative?

Edit: also you apparently agree that veganism is a virtue?

I really wish you people were as oppressed as you think you are