I’m high risk, I am immune compromised, I take medicine twice a day everyday to prevent me from making enough white blood cells amongst other effects, I had a double lung transplant in 2014. The problem with disallowing the public to be vaccinated overlooks a critical piece of information, immune suppression makes vaccines less effective. While a vaccine may give a healthy person a 95% protection rate (being simplistic and just plugging in numbers here) but if you give me that same vaccine my immune system will react far less to that vaccine giving me significantly less protection. I rely on those around me being vaccinated and their high vaccine efficacy to make up for the fact vaccines are less effective for me, and anyone else who is high risk also relies on this. Herd immunity is critical for at risk populations because we can never achieve equal protection rates as able bodied people. It’s vitally important those around me do not catch and spread illness, their illness is a direct threat to me. Allowing me to be vaccinated is absolutely essential but I will still have significantly less protection once those around me are prevented from being vaccinated.
This is dangerous in so many ways and even the way it seems to be less dangerous really isn’t especially helpful. I actually have bad reactions to the covid vaccine, it messes up my menses for months, it makes my eyes bleed, I had body wide inflammation including acute pancreatitis and lymphedema of the cervix… so no matter what I do I’m in danger, I can wildly disregulate my already fucked up body and immune system in painful and dangerous ways or I can not vaccinate and risk Covid killing me. I still mask up and try to social distance and all that and am treated like a pariah for it, I was really looking forward to having a normal life once I had my bilateral lung transplant but it looks like I will always have to be an obviously disabled person who the world is actively trying to leave behind/ignore/kill
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A totally-compromised FDA, that is.
Lol. If only the most at-risk get vaccinated, you can say goodbye to those who can’t take the vaccine for whatever reason. We’ve been through this before
Living in the US should put me in a high risk group at this point
I hate that I can’t trust these recommendations anymore.
Get ready for no flu vaccines for similar circumstances as well!
Headline overstates. FDA is changing their recommendations. This is still monumentally stupid, but they’re not going to prevent you from getting a vaccination if you want one.I was wrong. See the comment by @[email protected] below. In this case, the headline is correct, and the article is not.
From https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMsb2506929 :
For all healthy persons — those with no risk factors for severe Covid-19 — between the ages of 6 months and 64 years, the FDA anticipates the need for randomized, controlled trial data evaluating clinical outcomes before Biologics License Applications can be granted
“Biologics License Applications” sounds a lot like “you won’t have permission to get the vaccine until they do some bullshit clinical trial.”
Like getting a “stamp” for having the Devil’s lettuce before states started decriminalizing.
Yeah, I just saw NYT reporting referencing this. Earlier I was going on the content of this article. Bad reporting for the loss?
I sincerely hope this is the truth. I don’t give two shits what they recommend. I haven’t had COVID yet, and I’m not about to get it. Let me and my doctor decide if I get the vaccine yearly.
Also, the government isn’t paying for my COVID shots any more. I am. Even if it only decreases my chances of infection by a small percentage, let me make that choice.
I haven’t had it either and I will pay out of pocket for the vaccine. Kn95s when outside, n95s when in inside with people, and generally being a recluse has worked pretty well
Maybe not directly, but in practice, it can lead to the same result. When pharmacies feel that their vaccine supply is insufficient to meet demand, they refuse to vaccinate people who are not in health authority-recommended groups. This happens more often than you might think.
give it time
Curious what the European Union guidance says.
So what the US does is effectively making it harder to develop vaccines by creating additional trial burden without supporting said trials, and also I guess removing insurance coverage for non-at-risk groups.
In the meantime, the EU invested 3 billion EUR as part of Horizon 2020 into specifically COVID research, is both working to increase vaccination rates both domestically and abroad around the world, is funding almost 500 trial sites to accelerate the development of new vaccines against COVID. It has created a new agency, HERA to boost pandemic preparedness in the future. Finally, it invested significant money and resources into specifically researching and treating long COVID.
As this moves forward, it might be EU aid groups become a better source of COVID treatment and prevention in the US than anything domestic there. Of course that won’t happen, Trump and co won’t want to lose face over this, so people will just die.
I am desperately trying to be positive in a really bleak situation. But……
Maybe this is the 5D Master class Chinese Checkers move by the administration? Make the EU the primary regulatory source for medical trials and set the bar here in the USA by saying its FDA approved if it is already EU approved? Then boom cheaper drug prices for Americans and more expensive drug prices for the EU?
Again, most likely not the case but I really need some optimism at this point.
I’m saying this as someone who did work for a mid sized company manufacturing medical equipment.
US drug prices are not higher because of R&D costs or whatever. They are higher because when we sold stuff in Europe, the big deal was whether we can sell one treatment for 3 or 4 EUR in a particular country as we were negotiating with the government, when we sold to the US, the megacorp buying it (the only entity we could sell to realistically, as they own 75% of the relevant US market segment) said they will not buy it under 100 USD, and then they also acquired the company I was working at and 3 others like it in a single year.
This was under Biden BTW.
Also, FDA approvals are anecdotally very different from EU approvals. Here, you do the relevant trials, fill the requisite forms, the standards are high, but objective. With the FDA, it’s all up to an expert panel, and it can be often hard to understand their subjective requirements.
An optimistic take would be that the US oligarchy will eventually collapse under this chaos and something better might emerge. The pessimistic take is that something worse might also emerge. Or the elite might just carry on despite the collapse, like in 1990 Russia.
The WHO only recommends vaccines for older people, immunocompromised people, pregnant people, and those in healthcare. This lines up with their flu vaccine recommendations.
The US is usually more aggressive with pushing vaccines: flu, COVID were recommended to everyone. The chickenpox vaccine is also recommended for kids, but that’s not the case in lots of Europe (apparently).
chickenpox is a wierd one, because of the potential of adult chickenpox being severe, and shingle sin younger adults is also on the rise. i think the at-risk groups like health workers in the uk gets Chickenpox vaccine quickly. the vaccine also doesnt give 100% protection, it just makes it so you dont get symptomatic most of the time.
Billionaires are all “high risk”
Ask Herman Cain!
