Aside from men being horny in the 1800s, and this being a holdover since that time, is there any actual reason why this hasn’t changed?
If society was dominated by women, would this be more likely to change?
I was sweating my ass off hiking in the hot sun, and the question has been bothering me all day after my top soaked through with sweat.
You know why. What the heck kind of question is that?
Men. That’s why.
Where are you getting the 1800s from?
Did men stop being horny since then?
I would prefer if men didn’t do that either.
I think everyone should be allowed to go shirtless. They ain’t hurting nobody. Also, I would if I had a fit body to show off.
Everyone should be allowed to, but i also wish they wouldn’t. Not a fan of nipples in public.
“Nipples in Public” is a great punk name from north west Wales, iirc.
This is precisely why I choose to travel to countries where, for either cultural or climatic reasons, it is customary to have more skin covered.
Why are people so obsessed with nipples. They are not particularly different from other body parts
In many countries in public spaces women can be topless wherever men can. Sadly it doesn’t mean they feel safe/comfortable doing so.
Women compensate by only wearing the shortest of shorts during winter while men cover their ankles.
As a cis male, I’m totally in favor of this idea.
In fact, I went to school in Germany and I was throwing a frisbee with some friends in the park. It was a beautiful summer day, which was rare, and I retrieved the disc that landed near an attractive young lady sunning herself topless. I still think of her fondly.
Someone’s jerked off to a memory
Actually he did it right there in the park
And this comment is why women often do not go topless, even if the laws in a country allow it.
I live in Ontario, Canada, where it’s perfectly legal for women to be topless.
I’ve never actually seen anyone exercise that right (at least in person), but it’s a right.
Legally it’s allowed but socially it isn’t. We can’t go topless without being endlessly harassed and probably assaulted. It was bad enough when I walked home with my bikini top after going swimming.
I can’t argue that one bit.
I’m sorry men are so stupid. (I’m presuming it’s men)
Women would absolutely be judgmental about it but it’d definitely be men doing the harassing and assaulting.
Man here
If you ladies wanna walk around shirtless at the gym and work out I personally have no objection and I promise I won’t say a word to you.
However you are going get looks, a lot of them.
… Because boobs are a part of the gender? Because they’re part of what makes you a woman? Stop comparing boobs to ankles, geez… Use you actual brain.
So, any woman with a double mastectomy is no longer a woman? Damn, cancer keeps getting harder and harder.
Part of, you also have your vagina? If not, you got your xx chromosomes? So no you’re still a woman, but you knew this. Wishing you a full recovery ❤️
Holy shit, that is a fucked up thing to say.
Like imagine telling a woman with cancer, “luckily, your vagina is the only thing keeping you a woman”. As if their genitalia is what defines them as a woman.
What a disgusting thing to say. What the fuck is wrong with you?
I never said that. I said you still have your vagina and two xx chromosomes. Wich technically makes you a woman.
Definitionally, if you say a part of being a woman is having breasts, and a woman doesn’t have breasts, you are saying they are either less of a woman or not a woman at all.
Either that, or your initial argument is wrong, and having breasts has nothing to do with being a woman, so there is nothing wrong with going topless as a woman.
I will say it feels like you definitely believe not having breasts makes you less of a woman because you said “technically makes you a woman” here, which is a weird thing to say if you were arguing that women shouldn’t be allowed to go topless for some sex-related reason.
Oh, my bad. I’m glad you told her she is only less of a woman because she has no breasts.
People like you are sick in the head.
Women aren’t less women because they lose their breasts. They’re not less women for not having a vagina, whatever the fuck that means. Like, if your labia or clitoris are removed, are you less of a woman? If your uterus is removed, are you less of a woman? What a disgusting thing to tell women, that their womanhood is their genitals.
People like you make breast cancer so much harder than it already is.
I literally never said any of that.
This is a weird conversation and I just realized I’ve been having it with multiple different people. I thought it was just one person. So let me recalibrate.
And actually bounce, because this is getting less about what’s being said and the ideas behind the opinions and more just emotional garbage… for me at least, sorry. I’m really sorry you’re going through a lot. I really wish you a full recovery for ever ❤️ But for me to go down this road with you over an issue I never intended do discuss,and to be honest never said any of the things… No… Sorry but no.
I also hope you get the help you need, and I’m guessing you’re American so I wish you all the best going forward. With or without tits and shirts.
Bye ✌️🕊️
Edit
I just realized you’re not the cancer girl. However, everything still stands.
God luck ✌️🕊️
Part of, you also have your vagina?
Part of
you also have your vagina?
You say disgusting things and try to backtrack when called out on them. You are such a coward to say horrible things and then pretend you didn’t.
No woman is defined by her breasts, vagina, or even chromosomes, and losing any part of her is not being less of a woman. Any woman with breast cancer is just as much of a woman before as after. Fuck you.
So a male breast is not part of the gender? Something beging part of what makes you a man or a woman certainly isn’t where we draw the line.
Grow the fuck up and start thinking like an adult and not a horny little boy. Oh uncomfortably hot sweaty woman… She must want me because boobs. Jesus.
I’m a woman. But hey, good luck with your problem. I see you wanted 0 criticism. Good luck 👍
Edit
I must note the irony of you wanting someone to grow up whilst getting very emotional real quick. Again, good luck.
Looks like it’s you who are all emotional lol.
And why should that be a bad thing BTW?
Not really emotional over here, girl. I’m noticing that you’re fired up and won’t continue down that path. I understand why you got upset tho as I told you to use your actual brain. However it matters because you brought up maturity. You did, not me. But to look at it factually, without emotion, to answer your question. Men don’t have breast, they have a chest. And yes, walking without a shirt is pretty indecent,even if you’re a man. Ask yourself why it’s not common practice. It’s just indecent. However, it’s completely indecent for a woman to do so. To answer why, there are a few questions to consider. Firstly, what is gender and genetalia? Is it penis and vagina? Yes. Is it also ass? I mean, everyone has one… So is it genetalia or is it just dirty, and thats why we cover it? Is it okay to go without pants? I mean, it’s just a penis or a vagina? Stop being so horny? It’s just an ass. Are breast genetalia or is it a female signifier? If it’s neither and it’s just a body part, or if the fact that female signifiers should be allowed to be flashed either way: Why can’t a person grab your breast to get your attention? It’s just a body part. Can they grab you arm? That’s just a bodypart. I mean yeah, it’s not really convenient to grab a boob to get somebodys attention, but say it was. In a specific moment it was a way for somebody to get you attention. It’s not okay tho for somebody to touch it. Is it okay for somebody to stare at them? It’s just a bodypart. What if they stare at your hands? What if they’re shy and the only way to speak to you is by staring at your hands. Would that be ok? But what if they stared at your breasts? Would that also be okay? That’s why I conclude that women can’t walk around without a shirt just because they’re warm. However, since you asked peoples opinion, here’s mine: if a woman is wearing a sports bra, go ahead. Take off your shirt, just don’t take off your sports bra. And if you have a problem with not being able to walk outside with your tits out, maybe ask yourself what private parts are and if maybe… Just maybe you would like to not make other people uncomfortable by flashing yours… In this whole age of consent. But hey, girl, you do you
Imagine writing this to prove you’re not emotional.
I didn’t write it to prove I’m not emotional. I wrote it to explain the thought process.
Your thought process is weird and culturally sheltered.
Hey I don’t know if you know this, but people actually can’t touch you anywhere without your permission, including your arm!
So if you’re about to step in front of a cr and get run over, the person next to you can’t grab you arm? Everything is not black or white. I’m speaking in hypotheticals were that would be the situation… Did you even read what I wrote? And do you want to talk about the “not wearing a shirt” thing or…?
I personally don’t want a boner at the gym, I really wish men only gyms were a thing
Dude. If have enough remaining brainpower to ogle women at the gym and enough blood flow to spare to give you a boner I can assure you you’re barely working out.
Learn to focus.
That said, being topless (for both men and women) in a gym is gross. Don’t leave sweat everywhere. The question is for running outside…
Lol I can deadlift max weight and still get hard 5 minutes later, maybe see a doctor? If anything I get harder easier after excercise because of the blood flow
You can learn self-control.
I avoid any issues? I just stare at the ground or ceiling the whole time, would like to be able to just not have to worry about that and have an all male gym.
And like if I get one I can make it go away, it just hurts initially, because it goes from 1 inch to 6 very quickly and its never in a proper position in my shorts to expand. I can have max control, but if I suddenly see something it may just happen, like I still make it go away by thinking about something else to be clear lol.
Ooh that doesn’t sound nice, you shouldn’t be hurting yourself.
I’m suggesting you learn [train yourself] to be in the presence of women comfortably without even having to worry about getting an erection. It makes it a lot easier to get to know women.
But if you want a men’s only gym there’s plenty of hole-in-the-wall places called “Iron Pounders” or something like that. At-home weights are also widely available.
Yeah I’m setting up an at home gym slowly, the local gym is new and really nice tho, was men only without wanting to be for 4 years, randomly shifted and now its 50/50
Seems you have a plan. Good luck!
Maybe it’s a mix of fear and knowing i’m not supposed to look or possibly getting caught on camera accdientally looking st someone. Just the gym setting makes it uncomfortable and taboo maybe? idk
The taboo is starring/oggling or catcalling a stranger. If you look people in the eyes/face and don’t linger then no one is going to care except people who would have been a bother in any case.
No one has ever cared but the anxiety remains, I zone out and catch myself making eye contact with girls while daydreaming about unrelated shit all the time and they just smile or whatever, the fear remains, they have tripods at every rack at my gym, and like no one is that type of social media issue causer, it’s all good people that I’ve met there, but the anxiety remains. Anxiety isn’t necessarily logical idk.
Teach, don’t preach. This things got a mind of it’s own. If you know how to turn off my doppelwanger don’t keep it to yourself.
I’ve gotten rock hard looking at sand. Fucking sand. Don’t tell me we can control it.
My wife thinks that we can erect and/or ejaculate at will. Yeah. That not how it works.
If you’re actually working out you don’t have blood flow to spare to have a boner…
And if as you say you can have a boner looking at sand it and don’t control it it seems to me like having topless women around shouldn’t influence that much the odds you get a boner.
If im at the gym for an hour and a half I take like 5-10 minutes breaks between sets, I max weights and my gym has enough room usually to where ppl arent waiting for the area? Idk anyone who just works out continuously, yeah if I’m actively squatting/deadlifting, I wont get hard but for the breaks in between its a possibility. And it’s more like it starts up and goes back down, rather than staying up? But since it grows it’s never in a comfortable spot to get hard, itll grow like straight forward.
Just like any other emotion arousal is a response to a thought. It’s a wave of experience that’s washing over you. That part you can control but it’s less important here. The important part is the thought triggering the arousal. When you are in a situation where you think you can experience sexual outcomes (even if just fantasy) you’re likely to trigger your arousal response and pop a boner. These thoughts can also be tied to set and setting. You probably trained yourself not to have erections around family or in places with social stigma around it like most public places. So you have to recognize that you’re having a thought of sexualization, then you can reframe the setting as an inappropriate one for sexual arousal.
In the moment you can respond with deep breathing meditation if that helps. Focus on your breathing and think about the thought and (paradoxically) feel the feelings the thought brings. You’re doing two things. 1. You’re changing your learned response by doing something other than sexualizing a random stranger or sand (which ironically, being silica, is technically rock hard). 2. You’re learning how to recognize the thought, emotion and mechanics of it’s development to better manipulate it.
It’s not like it’s quick and easy, it can take a while and some effort, but not being a pest nor feeling guilty about contributing to women’s daily difficulty is imo worth it. Not only does this make you a better more approachable person in public but learning about your own arousal can make you last longer (if that’s an issue) and have better, more intense and rewarding sex/pleasure. Win win imo!
I used to imagine dead/rotton/gross things, doesn’t work anymore, now I try to get sad about dogs dying, etc.
I’m a grower, I wear boxer briefs, it’s just all around uncomfortable to get aroused in public lol, it’s not a choice personally, if I could have no sexual feelings when outside id be down actually, men also have to wear shirts at my gym, think its a common rule
I hate the no reason boxers. I was told the would stop in high school…
Everyones fit and wearing basically swimsuits while recording themselves with tripods trying to get tiktok famous, so theres a reason, I actually never had this issue before everyone tried to be a workout influencer, the last decade the gym has become a bit much
Tbh, I’d much prefer if no one did.
At least in very public spaces like streets.
It seems over the last 15 years a lot of effort has been put into a movement towards changing the laws in the U.S.
source- Wikipedia
A matter of social acceptability in general. Some societies, moreso before Western norms became widespread, don’t view the breasts in a sexual way and a woman going topless would be completely unremarkable.
Other than the breasts, some societies see the legs as very sexual, so they always cover the legs in public.
I think it would be more likely to change in a female-dominant society, but they could just as well not change it for no obvious reason. I’m sure there’s some nuance I’m glossing over, but even though it’s legal for me to go out in my underwear as a man in a male-dominated society, I wouldn’t do so voluntarily, regardless of the temperature.
They can, but harassment from men keeps lots of women from doing so. We already get harassed when we’re covered.
because patriarchy only sees women as sexual objects.
