• leadore@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    I hate reading the comments of all the capitulators here, carrying water for the regime by trying to discourage people with this constant drumbeat that protests are useless and ineffective. Bullshit. Are you magats? We’ve seen examples in history where protests and the movements they enabled have brought down those in power.

    Protests are necessary but not sufficient in themselves. They’re how resistance starts and builds, not how it ends. Did you ever think it might take time to form the momentum to get to a critical mass, especially after decades of complacency? Real momentum and effective action was never going to happen immediately or in just weeks, or even in less than eight months which is where we are now. There are already people grouping and doing things other than protests (iykyk) and will be more, made possible by the support and cover that large numbers participating provide.

    Troops are being moved into cities and they will keep being sent to more cities. Blue cities. There’s one reason for that–they want to intimidate people from turning out and use force to stop those who do. trump keeps saying so and plans are being implemented.

    Point is, you may think it’s all useless and ineffective, but the regime obviously doesn’t. Why do you want to help them? If you think it’s hopeless, fine–stay home and doom scroll, but stop trying to dissuade others.

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    4 months ago

    Good for the USA.

    They had a moment, made funny signs, took some pictures, felt good about themselves.

    Now Trump is rolling a military buildup in the country’s capitol. We all know how this is going to end.

    Good job. Pat yourselves on the back. You achieved fucking nothing.

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        This take makes no sense. One of the largest days of protests in US history is a joke to you? It’s a fundamental right of the citizens to protest and exercise this right.

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          Sure. And it accomplished nothing- if anything, it emboldened the far right who now know that they can accelerate their plans and AT BEST only be met with a “peaceful protest” on a Saturday (if the weather’s nice).

          Meanwhile, while No Kings was happening, 4 members of democratic leadership were shot in their homes. They were racking up a body count while “the resistance” was congratulating itself for going outside and holding a sign on a weekend.

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            4 months ago

            Even if a movement went all “blood and violence” it wouldn’t be done in a day. What makes you so certain that something is useless just because it doesn’t immediately solve everything?

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              It’s the lack of follow up protests, the lack of figure heads setpping up to champion the cause.

              It happened and then nothing. Sure there’s small things here and there.

              But functionally it was a good start and brought a lot of momentum. Which has promptly been squandered.

              Who is our gandi, or MLK Jr, who’s speaking out rallying more protests. Who’s willing to actually turn those masses into something actually impactful instead of a history book factoid.

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                I disagree with the idea that some “great leader” would be helpful and not a liability. Or the idea that there aren’t already leaders in the movement.

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                Yes. It’s natural that participation will ebb and flow, that’s why it’s important for folks not to give up and say it was all useless after just one day. Having regular weekly events and a monthly “big” protest seems to be the strategy for maintaining momentum.

                Escalation could also be useful - though of course that doesn’t necessarily mean jumping to blood-and-violence, there are many other tactics that can be used (like the targeted boycotts, for example, or a general strike). Even more “passive” things like voter education (where polls are, how to register, etc.) can add up over time.

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            Lemmy Canadians have a real problem when it comes to being completely self centered assholes.

            You aren’t that far removed from U.S. citizens and your shit stinks too.

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              We’ve been friends with the US for years.

              Then they hired a felon, pedophile, rapist to shit in our poutine.

              I’m perfectly fine being called a self centred asshole for being mad about this and laughing as the USA eats it’s own head.

              Have a nice day.

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                You aren’t that far removed from U.S. citizens and your shit stinks too.

                1. Canada gets most of its food from the U.S. . 2) Laughing at us means laughing at yourself, you’re now positioned squarely between the U.S. and Russia — and the U.S. definitely controls your southern border. Did I mention that the U.S. is where you get most of your food and that the U.S. has military dominance in the region? How many Canadians do you think will starve before any legitimate help arrives?

                There are many emotions to be had about this, schadenfreude has to be the most intellectually devoid one. My, still very much a child, nephew could understand that.

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    4 months ago
    1. Trump and his goons are traitors
    2. A corporate takeover of the US has been planned for a long time
    3. We will not vote our way out of this
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    And we’re all reaping the benefits of it, right? RIGHT???

    Non-violent protest only works against those who have a conscience, with is NOT MAGAts.

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      I humbly disagree. Protests can have a massive economic impact if they reach critical mass. Acts of violence also need a critical mass, but convincing people to protest is far easier than convincing them to commit acts of violence.

      Don’t go to work, block all traffic, don’t pay taxes, stop spending, attack all opposition. With enough participation, we can crash the economy in a single day and regain control within a week. Getting people to do what is necessary en masse is the hard part. Things will have to get worse before we get there.

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    Basically, people with clever signs marching on a predetermined, law enforcement lined, route until they want to open the roads up to traffic again, having gained zero ground aside from the personal fulfillment of being able to say I did my part to force change !

    Meanwhile, nothing changed and gets worse every day.